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From: John Heffner <jheffner@psc.edu>
To: SANGTAE HA <sangtae.ha@gmail.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	andi@firstfloor.org, ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi,
	lachlan.andrew@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	quetchen@caltech.edu
Subject: Re: SACK scoreboard
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:23:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4785110A.4080707@psc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <649aecc70801091014u50d1be26ndf5e59e0492ce9cd@mail.gmail.com>

SANGTAE HA wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 9:56 AM, John Heffner <jheffner@psc.edu> wrote:
>>>> I also wonder how much of a problem this is (for now, with window sizes
>>>> of order 10000 packets.  My understanding is that the biggest problems
>>>> arise from O(N^2) time for recovery because every ack was expensive.
>>>> Have current tests shown the final ack to be a major source of problems?
>>> Yes, several people have reported this.
>> I may have missed some of this.  Does anyone have a link to some recent
>> data?
> 
> I had some testing on this a month ago.
> A small set of recent results with linux 2.6.23.9 are at
> http://netsrv.csc.ncsu.edu/net-2.6.23.9/sack_efficiency
> One of serious cases with a large number of packet losses (initial
> loss is around 8000 packets) is at
> http://netsrv.csc.ncsu.edu/net-2.6.23.9/sack_efficiency/600--TCP-TCP-NONE--400-3-1.0--1000-120-0-0-1-1-5-500--1.0-0.5-133000-73-3000000-0.93-150--3/
> 
> Also, there is a comparison among three Linux kernels (2.6.13,
> 2.6.18-rc4, 2.6.20.3) at
> http://netsrv.csc.ncsu.edu/wiki/index.php/Efficiency_of_SACK_processing


If I'm reading this right, all these tests occur with large amounts of 
loss and tons of sack processing.  What would be most pertinent to this 
discussion would be a test with a large window, with delayed ack and 
sack disabled, and a single loss repaired by fast retransmit.  This 
would isolate the "single big ack" processing from other factors such as 
doubling the ack rate and sack processing.

I could probably set up such a test, but I don't want to duplicate 
effort if someone else already has done something similar.

Thanks,
   -John

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-09 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aa7d2c6d0711261023m3d2dd850o76a8f44aef022f39@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <001001c83063$9adbc9d0$d5897e82@csp.uiuc.edu>
2007-11-28 23:47   ` [PATCH] tcp-illinois: incorrect beta usage Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-29  0:25     ` Lachlan Andrew
2007-11-29  0:43       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-29  5:26         ` Shao Liu
2007-12-03 22:52           ` [RFC] TCP illinois max rtt aging Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-03 23:06             ` Lachlan Andrew
2007-12-03 23:59               ` Shao Liu
2007-12-04  0:32                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-04  1:23                   ` Lachlan Andrew
2007-12-04  8:37                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-12-07  3:27                       ` Lachlan Andrew
2007-12-07 11:05                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-12-07 12:41                           ` David Miller
2007-12-07 13:05                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-12-07 18:27                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-12-08  1:32                               ` David Miller
2007-12-11 11:59                                 ` [RFC PATCH net-2.6.25 uncompilable] [TCP]: Avoid breaking GSOed skbs when SACKed one-by-one (Was: Re: [RFC] TCP illinois max rtt aging) Ilpo Järvinen
2007-12-11 12:32                                   ` [RFC PATCH net-2.6.25 uncompilable] [TCP]: Avoid breaking GSOed skbs when SACKed one-by-one David Miller
2007-12-12  0:14                                     ` Lachlan Andrew
2007-12-12 15:11                                       ` David Miller
2007-12-12 23:35                                         ` Lachlan Andrew
2007-12-12 23:38                                           ` David Miller
2007-12-13  0:00                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-15  9:51                                     ` SACK scoreboard (Was: Re: [RFC PATCH net-2.6.25 uncompilable] [TCP]: Avoid breaking GSOed skbs when SACKed one-by-one) Ilpo Järvinen
2008-01-08  7:36                                       ` SACK scoreboard David Miller
2008-01-08 12:12                                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-01-09  7:58                                           ` David Miller
2008-01-08 16:51                                         ` John Heffner
2008-01-08 22:44                                           ` David Miller
2008-01-09  1:34                                             ` Lachlan Andrew
2008-01-09  6:35                                               ` David Miller
2008-01-09  2:25                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-09  4:27                                               ` John Heffner
2008-01-09  6:41                                                 ` David Miller
2008-01-09 14:56                                                   ` John Heffner
2008-01-09 18:14                                                     ` SANGTAE HA
2008-01-09 18:23                                                       ` John Heffner [this message]
2008-01-09 12:55                                                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-01-09  6:39                                               ` David Miller
2008-01-09  7:03                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-09  7:16                                                   ` David Miller
2008-01-09  9:47                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-01-09 14:02                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-29 14:12     ` [PATCH] tcp-illinois: incorrect beta usage Herbert Xu
2008-01-09  6:04 SACK scoreboard linux

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