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From: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: lkml@rtr.ca, jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org,
	jeff@garzik.org, rjw@sisk.pl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:56:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47FEB751.7040703@imap.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080410.172453.44434205.davem@davemloft.net>

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David Miller schrieb:
> From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:16:11 -0400
> 
>> Duh.. more like, "If I take 5-8 hours to attempt a bisect (which may not
>> even work), then that's 5-8 hours I do not get paid for."
> 
> And if I invest my spare time on your bug how does this statement
> apply to me?  Or does it only apply to you?
> 
> Every single argument you make that supports why you should not be
> investing the necessary time into the bug applies equally to the
> very developers you are so quickly to quip at and want help from.

I think you got it backwards. Mark and other bug reporters (including,
at times, yours truly) are helping you and other developers to make
Linux better. Most of the times I report a bug, I am not asking for help
- I have no personal need to get it fixed, as I can easily avoid it, and
I only report it to give developers like you a chance to fix it before
it really hurts someone - and I gather that Mark has been in a similar
position wrt to the bug in question.

So what would you have us do? Not report the bugs we find so that you
don't have to invest your spare time on "our" bugs? Report them and
accept a rebuke for our "unwillingness" to do even more benevolent work
than we already did? Report only those for which we really need a fix,
and are consequently willing to invest additional time?

Thanks,
Tilman


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-11  0:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080409.182228.193699767.davem@davemloft.net>
     [not found] ` <47FE3020.1070502@imap.cc>
     [not found]   ` <9a8748490804101509l5d043ff8w565dc44dfeaf0072@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <20080410.154651.101700010.davem@davemloft.net>
2008-04-11  0:16       ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:24         ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:27           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:39             ` David Miller
2008-04-11  1:23               ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  6:40                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59                       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  8:44                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12  9:49                               ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51                                   ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12  5:37                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  7:06                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26                         ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27                   ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40                     ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24                                 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51                                   ` david
2008-04-14  0:36                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39                                       ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  6:39                                           ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                                           ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                                                   ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                                             ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                                                     ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                                               ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                                                 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                                                   ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                                                       ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                                         ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                                           ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                                           ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                                                 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                                                       ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                                                     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                                                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                                                     ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                                         ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16                                                           ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                                             ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                                               ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                                                 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                                               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14  9:26                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10                         ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14  9:58                         ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53               ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30                 ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  0:56           ` Tilman Schmidt [this message]
2008-04-11  1:08             ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors David Miller
2008-04-11  0:26         ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:29           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  2:59             ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11  3:18               ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11  3:51                 ` David Miller
2008-04-11  7:50               ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov
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     [not found] ` <20080410.161453.52032573.davem@davemloft.net>
     [not found]   ` <1207870334.13150.11.camel@localhost>
2008-04-10 23:41     ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:51       ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-18  8:32       ` David Miller
2008-04-19  8:07         ` vincent-perrier
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     [not found] ` <20080410.023045.16227424.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
     [not found]   ` <47FD138B.2060801@rtr.ca>
     [not found]     ` <20080409.152933.132174258.davem@davemloft.net>
     [not found]       ` <47FD590C.5020003@rtr.ca>
2008-04-10 20:46         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-10 21:05           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 21:43             ` Ilpo Järvinen

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