From: Eric Miao <eric.y.miao@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
Cc: linux-netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk>,
Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/8] smc91x: add SMC91X_IO_SHIFT* macros and make SMC_IO_SHIFT a variable
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:13:01 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4860663D.9040606@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0806200754030.23059@xanadu.home>
Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Eric Miao wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Eric Miao wrote:
>>>
>>>> SMC_IO_SHIFT is currently hardcoded, which makes some platforms (e.g.
>>>> Lubbock) unable to use the newly introduced platform data. This patch
>>>> introduces SMC91X_IO_SHIFT* macros and make SMC_IO_SHIFT a variable.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Eric Miao <eric.miao@marvell.com>
>>> NAK.
>>>
>>> The very point of those macros is actually to optimize the IO accesses
>>> as much as possible at compile time. By introducing a variable element
>>> in the definition of those macros (for when the driver is configured
>>> with constant params for those macros of course) you add a significant
>>> overhead to every access to the hardware, including when transferring
>>> data in and out of the chip.
>>>
>> Contrary to expected, the result shows a slight decrease on zylonite,
>> PXA310@624MHz, result shown as below:
>>
>> (by a simple measurement with "proc/uptime" and tftp)
>>
>> with SMC_IO_SHIFT being a variable
>>
>> trial 1: 2062776 bytes in (179.77 - 177.72 = 2.05) seconds = 1,006,232 Bps
>> trial 2: 2062776 bytes in (183.00 - 180.95 = 2.05) seconds = 1,006,232 Bps
>> trial 3: 2062776 bytes in (261.48 - 259.42 = 2.06) seconds = 1,001,347 Bps
>>
>> with SMC_IO_SHIFT being a constant
>>
>> trial 1: 2062776 bytes in (41.07 - 39.04 = 2.03) seconds = 1,016,145 Bps
>> trial 2: 2062776 bytes in (97.19 - 95.16 = 2.03) seconds = 1,016,145 Bps
>> trial 3: 2062776 bytes in (159.81 - 157.78 = 2.03) seconds = 1,016,145 Bps
>>
>> The statistics were stable during the test, so I generally think it's
>> typical.
>>
>> On lubbock, PXA255@200MHz, however, the result shows a slight increase:
>>
>> with SMC_IO_SHIFT being a variable
>>
>> trial 1: 2062776 bytes in (49.42 - 42.20 = 7.22) seconds = 285,703 Bps
>> trial 2: 2062776 bytes in (60.27 - 53.07 = 7.20) seconds = 286,497 Bps
>> trial 3: 2062776 bytes in (141.04 - 133.84 = 7.20) seconds = 286,497 Bps
>>
>> with SMC_IO_SHIFT being a constant
>>
>> trial 1: 2062776 bytes in (58.93 - 51.62 = 7.31) seconds = 282,185 Bps
>> trial 2: 2062776 bytes in (69.26 - 61.95 = 7.31) seconds = 282,185 Bps
>> trial 3: 2062776 bytes in (151.58 - 144.27 = 7.31) seconds = 282,185 Bps
>>
>> So I'm thinking that the overhead may not be so significant as expected,
>> 1. control register accesses are rare compared to data register
>> 2. data register access is usually fixed at one address and enclosed in
>> a loop, which the compiler may well optimize
>
> You must also look at the CPU usage too. A faster CPU may well mitigate
> the latency issue and make no significant throughput difference, but at
> a higher CPU cost. That means fewer cycles for doing anything else,
> like drawing those pictures on the screen as they are received over the
> net for example.
>
OK, finally got netperf working, and here're the statistics as expected:
with SMC_IO_SHIFT being a constant:
Recv Send Send Utilization Service Demand
Socket Socket Message Elapsed Send Recv Send Recv
Size Size Size Time Throughput local remote local remote
bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/s % S % U us/KB us/KB
87380 16384 16384 10.01 6.50 23.99 -1.00 302.459 -1.000
87380 16384 16384 10.02 6.46 25.18 -1.00 319.295 -1.000
87380 16384 16384 10.04 6.37 24.38 -1.00 313.405 -1.000
with SMC_IO_SHIFT being a variable:
Recv Send Send Utilization Service Demand
Socket Socket Message Elapsed Send Recv Send Recv
Size Size Size Time Throughput local remote local remote
bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/s % S % U us/KB us/KB
87380 16384 16384 10.04 6.41 36.25 -1.00 463.470 -1.000
87380 16384 16384 10.04 6.54 36.26 -1.00 454.069 -1.000
87380 16384 16384 10.03 6.40 39.58 -1.00 506.363 -1.000
So the CPU utilization at the local sending side increases by > 10%, which
will create much overhead on slow CPU indeed.
>>> And this is very important to have the lowest overhead possible with
>>> this chip that can do 100mbps on platforms with a CPU clock almost as
>>> slow.
>>>
>> Indeed, the overhead will be magnified on a system with slow CPU clock,
>> maybe I should spend some time to have a test also. However, arguably,
>> the smc91x chips are usually used as a debug ethernet on most (if not
>> all) platforms, I don't think a serious design will deploy such a chip
>> for performance critical application, though.
>
> That's not acceptable as an argument to introduce what actually is a
> regression, especially when it should be possible to avoid it. And the
> fact is that there are already designs out there using this chip in
> production, serious or not.
>
OK, so is it arguable that boards like lubbock/mainstone/zylonite/littleton
can be switched over to use the SMC_IO_SHIFT as a variable and leave other
platforms unchanged due to the fact that these boards are just development
platforms and do not care much about performance?
>
> Nicolas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-24 3:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-19 11:07 [PATCH 5/8] smc91x: add SMC91X_IO_SHIFT* macros and make SMC_IO_SHIFT a variable Eric Miao
2008-06-19 16:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-06-20 3:47 ` Eric Miao
2008-06-20 7:29 ` Sascha Hauer
2008-06-20 9:19 ` Eric Miao
2008-06-20 12:02 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-06-24 3:13 ` Eric Miao [this message]
2008-06-24 4:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
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