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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: hadi-fAAogVwAN2Kw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org,
	linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU.
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:48:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <487FDA67.30902@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080717.152447.89672084.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>

David Miller wrote:
> From: Patrick McHardy <kaber-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:02:20 +0200
> 
>> jamal wrote:
>>> prioritization based on TOS/DSCP (setsockopt) would no longer work, some
>>> user space code may suffer (routing daemons likely). One suggestion to
>>> fix it is to load pfifo qdisc (which does what fifo_fast is attempting)
>>> for drivers that are h/ware multiq capable.
>> That would perform priorization within each qdisc, the individual
>> qdiscs would still be transmitted using seperate HW queues though.
> 
> I think from certain perspectives it frankly doesn't matter.
> 
> It's not like the skb->priority field lets the SKB bypass the packets
> already in the TX ring of the chip with a lower priority.
> 
> It is true that, once the TX ring is full, the skb->priority thus
> begins to have an influence on which packets are moved from the
> qdisc to the TX ring of the device.
> 
> However, I wonder if we're so sure that we want to give normal users
> that kind of powers.  Let's say for example that you set the highest
> priority possible in the TOS socket option, and you do this for a ton
> of UDP sockets, and you just blast packets out as fast as possible.
> This backlogs the device TX ring, and if done effectively enough could
> keep other sockets blocked out of the device completely.
> 
> Are we really really sure it's OK to let users do this?  :)
> 
> To me, as a default, I think TOS and DSCP really means just on-wire
> priority.
> 
> If we absolutely want to, we can keep the old pfifo_fast around and use
> it (shared on multiq) if a certain sysctl knob is set.

No, I fully agree that this is too much detail :) Its highly
unlikely that this default behaviour is important on a per
packet level :) I just meant to point out that using a pfifo
is not going to be the same behaviour as previously.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-17 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-17 12:17 [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU David Miller
     [not found] ` <20080717.051726.226040470.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 13:03   ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]     ` <487F4327.1000107-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 13:12       ` David Miller
2008-07-17 13:48         ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]           ` <487F4DA6.6010009-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 22:36             ` David Miller
     [not found]               ` <20080717.153609.142867331.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 23:58                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 13:35       ` jamal
2008-07-17 14:02         ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]           ` <487F50EC.80008-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 22:24             ` David Miller
     [not found]               ` <20080717.152447.89672084.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 23:48                 ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2008-07-18 13:10                   ` jamal
2008-07-18 13:27                     ` jamal
2008-07-18 21:05                       ` David Miller
2008-07-20 15:16                         ` jamal
2008-07-20 17:25                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20080720.102534.246150854.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 17:34                               ` Tomas Winkler
     [not found]                                 ` <1ba2fa240807201034u1fbe3343tdcc858f7772d2b39-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 17:35                                   ` David Miller
2008-07-20 22:32                               ` jamal
2008-07-20 23:59                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21  2:20                                   ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:20                                     ` jamal
2008-07-21 16:45                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-21 11:58                                     ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                       ` <E1KKu2D-0002kd-00-XQvu0L+U/CjiRBuR/1fSEKKkPtS2pBon@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 13:08                                         ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:19                                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 13:56                                             ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:58                                               ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                 ` <20080721135846.GA11543-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:09                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                     ` <20080721.080901.214889979.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:22                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 15:26                                                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                           ` <20080721.082627.128593651.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 16:16                                                             ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                               ` <20080721161616.GA12938-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 16:25                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:43                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 16:51                                                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20080721.095124.89249903.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:02                                                                         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20080721170233.GA13417-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:08                                                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                               ` <20080721.100821.38432201.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:11                                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22  6:56                                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22  7:16                                                                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <20080822.001620.141235108.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22  7:41                                                                                         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20080822074115.GB25615-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 10:42                                                                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <20080822.034217.135152551.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 10:47                                                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 13:52                                                                                                 ` jamal
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20080822065655.GA18471-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 13:43                                                                                       ` jamal
2008-07-21 17:35                                         ` David Miller
2008-07-18 17:10                     ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                       ` <adaljzz6ruq.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 14:58                         ` jamal
2008-07-20 14:32               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-20 17:20                 ` David Miller
2008-07-20 14:20         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]           ` <E1KKZmE-0000ty-00-XQvu0L+U/CjiRBuR/1fSEKKkPtS2pBon@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 15:35             ` jamal
2008-07-21  0:11               ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                 ` <20080721001119.GA6515-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21  2:33                   ` jamal
2008-07-21  3:17                     ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 11:14                       ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:36                         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                           ` <20080721113600.GA10322-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 11:39                             ` jamal
2008-07-19  3:59     ` David Miller

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