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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Benny Amorsen <benny+usenet@amorsen.dk>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	minyard@acm.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, shemminger@vyatta.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:59:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EB5D28.7000503@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m37i8k3hv1.fsf@ursa.amorsen.dk>

Benny Amorsen a écrit :
> Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com> writes:
> 
>> Most UDP sockets are setup for long periods (RTP trafic), or if an application really
>> wants to {open/send or receive one UDP frame/close} many sockets, it already hits
>> RCU handling of its file structures and should not be slowed down that much.
>>

I should have say 'Many' instead of 'Most' :)

>> By 'long period' I mean thousand of packets sent/received by each RTP session, being
>> voice (50 packets/second) or even worse video...
> 
> Does DNS with port randomization need short lived sockets?
> 

Yes very true, but current allocation of a random port can be very expensive, 
since we scan all the UDP hash table to select the smaller hash chain.

We stop the scan if we find an empty slot, but on machines with say more than 200
bound UDP sockets, they are probably no empty slots. (UDP_HTABLE_SIZE is 128)

bind(NULL port) algo is then O(N), N being number of bound UDP sockets.

So heavy DNS servers/proxies probably use a pool/range of pre-allocated sockets
to avoid costs of allocating/freeing them ? If they dont care about that cost,
the extra call_rcu() will be unnoticed.

For pathological (yet very common :) ) cases like single DNS query/answer, RCU
would mean :

Pros :
- one few rwlock hit when receiving the answer (if any)
Cons :
- one call_rcu() to delay socket freeing/reuse after RCU period.

So it might be a litle bit more expensive than without RCU

I agree I am more interested in optimizing UDP stack for heavy users like RTP 
servers/proxies handling xxx.000 packets/second than DNS users/servers.
Shame on me :)

(2 weeks ago, Corey mentioned a 10x increase on UDP throughput on a 16-way machine,
that sounds promising)






  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-07 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-06 18:50 [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Corey Minyard
2008-10-06 21:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-06 21:40   ` David Miller
2008-10-06 23:08     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:38             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:33           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:45             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07  5:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07  8:54       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-10-07 12:59         ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2008-10-07 14:07           ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-07 20:55             ` David Miller
2008-10-07 21:20               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-08 13:55               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 18:45                 ` David Miller
2008-10-28 20:37                   ` [PATCH 1/2] udp: introduce struct udp_table and multiple rwlocks Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:23                     ` Christian Bell
2008-10-28 21:31                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 21:48                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 20:42                   ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 22:45                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  5:05                       ` David Miller
2008-10-29  8:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  8:56                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 10:19                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:19                               ` David Miller
2008-10-29  9:04                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  9:17                             ` David Miller
2008-10-29 13:17                             ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 14:36                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 15:34                                 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 16:09                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 16:37                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:22                                       ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 17:45                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:28                                           ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 18:52                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 20:00                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 20:17                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 21:29                                                   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 21:57                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 21:58                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 22:08                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  3:22                                                     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-30  5:50                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-02  4:19                                                         ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:40                                                     ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:51                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:04                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:05                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 15:40                                                     ` [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 15:51                                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 16:28                                                         ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-31 14:37                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 14:55                                                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-11-02  4:22                                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-30 17:12                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31  7:51                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 16:01                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-31  0:14                                                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-13 13:13                                                       ` [PATCH 0/3] net: RCU lookups for UDP, DCCP and TCP protocol Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 17:20                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-17  3:41                                                         ` David Miller
2008-11-19 19:52                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 13:14                                                       ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:29                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:44                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 16:02                                                             ` [PATCH 4/3] rcu: documents rculist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-14 15:16                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-17  3:36                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 17:07                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-14 15:16                                                         ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-19 17:01                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 18:46                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 18:53                                                               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-11-19 21:17                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 20:39                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 21:21                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 2/3] udp: Use hlist_nulls in UDP RCU code Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 17:29                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 3/3] net: Convert TCP & DCCP hash tables to use RCU / hlist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:34                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:51                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 14:08                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 14:22                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 14:27                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-19 17:53                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23  9:33                                                         ` [PATCH] net: Convert TCP/DCCP listening hash tables to use RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 15:59                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 18:42                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 19:17                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 20:18                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 22:33                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-24  1:23                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:04                                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:30                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:25                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-31 16:40                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-01  3:10                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:32                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:11                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:29                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 18:38                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:36                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:20                                 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:12                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:29                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 20:37                 ` [PATCH 0/2] udp: Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-28 21:50                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 16:43           ` [PATCH 3/3] " Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 18:26       ` David Miller
2008-10-08  8:35         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 16:38           ` David Miller
2008-10-07  8:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 14:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 18:29       ` David Miller
2008-10-06 22:07   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07  9:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:15       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:50         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 15:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 15:23           ` Christoph Lameter

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