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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: minyard@acm.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, shemminger@vyatta.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:35:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EC70BB.9010709@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081007.112622.73930718.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller a écrit :
> From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:24:45 +0200
> 
>> Most UDP sockets are setup for long periods (RTP trafic), or if an application really
>> wants to {open/send or receive one UDP frame/close} many sockets, it already hits
>> RCU handling of its file structures and should not be slowed down that much.
> 
> As stated, I added RCU destruction generically for socket objects, and it
> showed up clearly.
> 
> So "not be slowed down that much" has been disproven, at least to me,
> already :-)
> 
> 
RCU in hash table is ok for managing read mostly data, since
only during the read access you avoid to dirty a rwlock...

If we have a workload that insert/delete sockets as hell but
receive few frames (that hit the hash table in a read only way),
then you defeat the purpose of RCU, and pay the price of
throwing away (in rcu queue) hot data that will become cold
before reuse...

BTW is there any chance your results were obtained before October 2005 ?

At that time, RCU was able to queue an unlimited number of events.
a single loop doing close(open("/dev/null",0)) could exhaust RAM...


Refs: commit  5ee832dbc6770135ec8d63296af0a4374557bb79
and many others...

Anyway we can probably code something without call_rcu() cache blower
for UDP, if time permits :)




  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-08  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-06 18:50 [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Corey Minyard
2008-10-06 21:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-06 21:40   ` David Miller
2008-10-06 23:08     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:38             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:33           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:45             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07  5:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07  8:54       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-10-07 12:59         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:07           ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-07 20:55             ` David Miller
2008-10-07 21:20               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-08 13:55               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 18:45                 ` David Miller
2008-10-28 20:37                   ` [PATCH 1/2] udp: introduce struct udp_table and multiple rwlocks Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:23                     ` Christian Bell
2008-10-28 21:31                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 21:48                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 20:42                   ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 22:45                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  5:05                       ` David Miller
2008-10-29  8:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  8:56                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 10:19                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:19                               ` David Miller
2008-10-29  9:04                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  9:17                             ` David Miller
2008-10-29 13:17                             ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 14:36                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 15:34                                 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 16:09                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 16:37                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:22                                       ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 17:45                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:28                                           ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 18:52                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 20:00                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 20:17                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 21:29                                                   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 21:57                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 21:58                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 22:08                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  3:22                                                     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-30  5:50                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-02  4:19                                                         ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:40                                                     ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:51                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:04                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:05                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 15:40                                                     ` [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 15:51                                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 16:28                                                         ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-31 14:37                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 14:55                                                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-11-02  4:22                                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-30 17:12                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31  7:51                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 16:01                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-31  0:14                                                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-13 13:13                                                       ` [PATCH 0/3] net: RCU lookups for UDP, DCCP and TCP protocol Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 17:20                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-17  3:41                                                         ` David Miller
2008-11-19 19:52                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 13:14                                                       ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:29                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:44                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 16:02                                                             ` [PATCH 4/3] rcu: documents rculist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-14 15:16                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-17  3:36                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 17:07                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-14 15:16                                                         ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-19 17:01                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 18:46                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 18:53                                                               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-11-19 21:17                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 20:39                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 21:21                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 2/3] udp: Use hlist_nulls in UDP RCU code Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 17:29                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 3/3] net: Convert TCP & DCCP hash tables to use RCU / hlist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:34                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:51                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 14:08                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 14:22                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 14:27                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-19 17:53                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23  9:33                                                         ` [PATCH] net: Convert TCP/DCCP listening hash tables to use RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 15:59                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 18:42                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 19:17                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 20:18                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 22:33                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-24  1:23                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:04                                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:30                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:25                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-31 16:40                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-01  3:10                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:32                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:11                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:29                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 18:38                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:36                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:20                                 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:12                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:29                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 20:37                 ` [PATCH 0/2] udp: Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-28 21:50                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 16:43           ` [PATCH 3/3] " Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 18:26       ` David Miller
2008-10-08  8:35         ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2008-10-08 16:38           ` David Miller
2008-10-07  8:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 14:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 18:29       ` David Miller
2008-10-06 22:07   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07  9:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:15       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:50         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 15:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 15:23           ` Christoph Lameter

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