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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@gmail.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Add qdisc->ops->peek() support.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:04:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FF4F27.3090604@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081017204543.GB2527@ami.dom.local>

Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 04:12:03PM +0200, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> ...
>> Some general thoughts ...
>>
>> We've never had any systematic checks for useful and non-useful
>> combination of qdiscs, which is causing a lot of these complications.
>> Think of all the multiq work that was required to make it work
>> properly with non-work-conserving qdiscs - while at the same time,
>> using a non-work-conserving qdisc (which require a global view)
>> defeats basically all of the benefits.
>>
>> So it would be really useful to come up with a systematic definition
>> of valid combinations instead of trying handling lots of purely
>> theoretical case that don't make sense. One more example - all the
>> qdiscs implement ->drop(), yet its only needed by CBQ and it doesn't
>> make any sense at all to use lets say HFSC as child of CBQ.
>>
>> About this specific case - yes, it would break compatibility for
>> users using f.i. TBF as child of netem. But if you look at the
>> netem_enqueue() function, it in fact assumes that the inner qdisc
>> is a tfifo, so we'd be breaking an already broken case. We can
>> of course be nice and warn about it for a few releases, but I believe
>> there is some real potential for simplification that makes it
>> worth it.
> 
> I'm not sure this is all right: at least until there is not too much
> problems with some code (like with requeuing).  We probably should try
> before this official ways like feature-removal-schedule.txt, and/or
> maybe some CONFIG_XXX_DEPRECATED things. But I don't persist with this.

Sure. Nobody reads feature-removal-schedule.txt though, so we should
also have a runtime warning :)

> BTW, I'm not sure if I'm expected to redo any patches in this thread.
> (Probably some things like this teql_peek() could be removed with
> ->requeue() killing.)

Just do the changes you think are right, I'm not expecting you to
do anything I suggested :)


      parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-16  9:46 [PATCH 0/6] Add qdisc->ops->peek() support Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-16 12:38 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-16 13:08   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-16 22:09   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-17 12:33     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-17 13:03       ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-17 14:12         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-17 20:12           ` [PATCH] pkt_sched: sch_netem: Limit packet re-ordering functionality to tfifo qdisc Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-21 23:36             ` David Miller
2008-10-21 23:51               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-22  5:37                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-22 16:00                   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-22 16:49                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-22 17:32                       ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-22 17:53                         ` [RFC] " Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-22 15:57               ` [PATCH] " Patrick McHardy
2008-10-22 16:00               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-17 20:45           ` [PATCH 0/6] Add qdisc->ops->peek() support Jarek Poplawski
2008-10-21 23:43             ` David Miller
2008-10-22 16:01               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-10-22 16:04             ` Patrick McHardy [this message]

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