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From: Corey Minyard <minyard@acm.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	shemminger@vyatta.com, benny+usenet@amorsen.dk,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru,
	Christian Bell <christian@myri.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets.
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:22:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49092891.5060603@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4908DEDE.5030706@cosmosbay.com>

Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:00:13PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>> Hum... Another way of handling all those cases and avoid memory 
>>> barriers
>>> would be to have different "NULL" pointers.
>>>
>>> Each hash chain should have a unique "NULL" pointer (in the case of 
>>> UDP, it
>>> can be the 128 values : [ (void*)0 .. (void *)127 ]
>>>
>>> Then, when performing a lookup, a reader should check the "NULL" 
>>> pointer
>>> it get at the end of its lookup has is the "hash" value of its chain.
>>>
>>> If not -> restart the loop, aka "goto begin;" :)
>>>
>>> We could avoid memory barriers then.
>>>
>>> In the two cases Corey mentioned, this trick could let us avoid 
>>> memory barriers.
>>> (existing one in sk_add_node_rcu(sk, &hslot->head); should be enough)
>>>
>>> What do you think ?
>>
>> Kinky!!!  ;-)
>>
>> Then the rcu_dereference() would be supplying the needed memory 
>> barriers.
>>
>> Hmmm...  I guess that the only confusion would be if the element got
>> removed and then added to the same list.  But then if its pointer was
>> pseudo-NULL, then that would mean that all subsequent elements had been
>> removed, and all preceding ones added after the scan started.
>>
>> Which might well be harmless, but I must defer to you on this one at
>> the moment.
>>
>> If you need a larger hash table, another approach would be to set the
>> pointer's low-order bit, allowing the upper bits to be a full-sized
>> index -- or even a pointer to the list header.  Just make very sure
>> to clear the pointer when freeing, or an element on the freelist
>> could end up looking like a legitimate end of list...  Which again
>> might well be safe, but why inflict this on oneself?
>
> Well, for UDP case, hash table will be <= 65536 anyway, we can assume
> no dynamic kernel memory is in the range [0 .. 65535]
>
> Here is a patch (untested yet, its really time for a sleep for me ;) )
>
> [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination
>
> In order to safely detect changes in chains, we would like to have 
> different
> 'NULL' pointers. Each chain in hash table is terminated by an unique 
> 'NULL'
> value, so that the lockless readers can detect their lookups evaded from
> their starting chain.
>
> We define 'NULL' values as ((unsigned long)values < UDP_HTABLE_SIZE)
>
> This saves memory barriers (a read barrier to fetch 'next' pointers
> *before* checking key values) we added in commit 
> 96631ed16c514cf8b28fab991a076985ce378c26 (udp: introduce 
> sk_for_each_rcu_safenext())
> This also saves a missing memory barrier spotted by Corey Minyard (a 
> write one in udp_lib_get_port(), between sk_hash update and ->next 
> update)
I think you are right, this will certainly perform a lot better without 
the read barrier in the list traversal.  I haven't seen any problems 
with this approach, though it's unusual enough to perhaps warrant some 
extra comments in the code.

You do need to modify udp_lib_unhash(), as sk_del_node_init_rcu() will 
do a NULL check on the ->next value, so you will need a special version 
of that as well.

-corey

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-30  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-06 18:50 [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Corey Minyard
2008-10-06 21:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-06 21:40   ` David Miller
2008-10-06 23:08     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:38             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:33           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:45             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07  5:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07  8:54       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-10-07 12:59         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:07           ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-07 20:55             ` David Miller
2008-10-07 21:20               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-08 13:55               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 18:45                 ` David Miller
2008-10-28 20:37                   ` [PATCH 1/2] udp: introduce struct udp_table and multiple rwlocks Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:23                     ` Christian Bell
2008-10-28 21:31                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 21:48                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 20:42                   ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 22:45                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  5:05                       ` David Miller
2008-10-29  8:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  8:56                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 10:19                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:19                               ` David Miller
2008-10-29  9:04                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  9:17                             ` David Miller
2008-10-29 13:17                             ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 14:36                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 15:34                                 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 16:09                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 16:37                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:22                                       ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 17:45                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:28                                           ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 18:52                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 20:00                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 20:17                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 21:29                                                   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 21:57                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 21:58                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 22:08                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  3:22                                                     ` Corey Minyard [this message]
2008-10-30  5:50                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-02  4:19                                                         ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:40                                                     ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:51                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:04                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:05                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 15:40                                                     ` [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 15:51                                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 16:28                                                         ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-31 14:37                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 14:55                                                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-11-02  4:22                                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-30 17:12                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31  7:51                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 16:01                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-31  0:14                                                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-13 13:13                                                       ` [PATCH 0/3] net: RCU lookups for UDP, DCCP and TCP protocol Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 17:20                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-17  3:41                                                         ` David Miller
2008-11-19 19:52                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 13:14                                                       ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:29                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:44                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 16:02                                                             ` [PATCH 4/3] rcu: documents rculist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-14 15:16                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-17  3:36                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 17:07                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-14 15:16                                                         ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-19 17:01                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 18:46                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 18:53                                                               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-11-19 21:17                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 20:39                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 21:21                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 2/3] udp: Use hlist_nulls in UDP RCU code Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 17:29                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 3/3] net: Convert TCP & DCCP hash tables to use RCU / hlist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:34                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:51                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 14:08                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 14:22                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 14:27                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-19 17:53                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23  9:33                                                         ` [PATCH] net: Convert TCP/DCCP listening hash tables to use RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 15:59                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 18:42                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 19:17                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 20:18                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 22:33                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-24  1:23                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:04                                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:30                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:25                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-31 16:40                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-01  3:10                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:32                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:11                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:29                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 18:38                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:36                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:20                                 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:12                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:29                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 20:37                 ` [PATCH 0/2] udp: Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-28 21:50                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 16:43           ` [PATCH 3/3] " Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 18:26       ` David Miller
2008-10-08  8:35         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 16:38           ` David Miller
2008-10-07  8:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 14:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 18:29       ` David Miller
2008-10-06 22:07   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07  9:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:15       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:50         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 15:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 15:23           ` Christoph Lameter

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