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From: Dave Hudson <linux-kernel@blueteddy.net>
To: Daniel J Blueman <daniel.blueman@gmail.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Networking <linux-net@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: time for TCP ECN defaulting to on?
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:16:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49107543.5080207@blueteddy.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6278d2220811040632u7a36d68ekad5de517fd0671bb@mail.gmail.com>

Daniel J Blueman wrote:
> Is it time to enable TCP ECN per default and get the benefits, since
> router support has been around and known-about for really considerable
> time?
> 
> Perhaps it should be a question of enabling it, and educating people
> to disable it if they run into issues, since we'll probably be in the
> same situation in 5 years...and it'll be some time before these
> kernels hit devices/servers anyway.
> 
> Daniel

Unfortunately I think you'll find there are sufficiently large numbers 
of broken SOHO routers out there that if you try this you'll cause a lot 
of problems.  The problems range from no connectivity to in a few 
extreme cases routers actually crashing or behaving in very 
unpredictable ways.  Here's one summary that got presented to the IETF 
about 18 months ago:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/slides/tsvarea-3/sld6.htm

When a clueless end-user gets a Linux-enabled netbook that crashes their 
router while their existing Vista or XP systems appear to work just fine 
then the Linux network stack will get the blame for being buggy, not the 
router :-(


Regards,
Dave



  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-04 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-04 14:32 time for TCP ECN defaulting to on? Daniel J Blueman
2008-11-04 16:16 ` Dave Hudson [this message]
2008-11-04 22:52   ` David Miller
2008-11-05  1:16     ` Michael Chan
2008-11-05  5:58       ` David Miller
2008-11-05  6:31         ` Michael Chan
2008-11-05  7:29           ` David Miller
2008-11-16  9:13     ` Herbert Xu
2008-11-16  9:24       ` David Miller
2008-11-05 22:20 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-11-05 23:10   ` David Miller
2008-11-07  4:46     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-11-07  4:49       ` David Miller
2008-11-07  7:53       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-11-07  8:11         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-11-07  9:12           ` Bjørn Mork
2008-11-07 11:16             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-11-07 11:28           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-11-07 11:38             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-11-07 12:22               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-11-07 13:43                 ` Daniel J Blueman
2008-11-07 14:30                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-11-07 11:18         ` Dave Hudson
2008-11-07 14:29           ` Alan Cox
2008-11-07 14:45             ` David Newall
2008-11-07 15:07               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-11-07 18:38               ` John Heffner
2008-11-07 14:33           ` Andi Kleen

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