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From: Oliver Hartkopp <oliver@hartkopp.net>
To: Patrick Ohly <patrick.ohly@intel.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Octavian Purdila <opurdila@ixiacom.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>,
	Ingo Oeser <netdev@axxeo.de>,
	"Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/13] hardware time stamping + igb example	implementation
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:44:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <491B23FE.9000105@hartkopp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1226507118.31699.91.camel@ecld0pohly>

Patrick Ohly wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 16:06 +0000, Andi Kleen wrote:
>   
>> As a general comment on the patch series I'm still a little sceptical
>> the time stamp offset method is a good idea. Since it tries to approximate
>> several unsynchronized clocks the result will always be of a little poor
>> quality, which will likely lead to problems sooner or later (or rather
>> require ugly workarounds in the user).
>>
>> I think it would be better to just bite the bullet and add new fields
>> for this to the skbs. Hardware timestamps are useful enough to justify
>> this.
>>     
>
> I'm all for it, as long as it doesn't keep this feature out of the
> mainline.
>
> At least one additional ktime_t field would be needed for the raw
> hardware time stamp. Transformation to system time (as needed by PTP)
> would have to be delayed until the packet is delivered via a socket. The
> code would be easier (and a bit more accurate) if also another ktime_t
> was added to store the transformed value directly after generating it.
>
> An extra field would also solve one of the open problems (tstamp set to
> time stamp when dev_start_xmit_hard is called for IP_MULTICAST_LOOP).
>
>   

I really wondered if you posted the series to get an impression why 
adding a new field is a good idea ;-)
Ok, i'm not that experienced on timestamps but i really got confused 
reading the patches and it's documentation (even together with the 
discussion on the ML). I would also vote for having a new field in the 
skb instead of this current 'bit-compression' approach which smells 
quite expensive at runtime and in code size. Not talking about the 
mentioned potential locking issues ...

Regards,
Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-12 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-11 14:44 [RFC PATCH 00/13] hardware time stamping + igb example implementation Patrick Ohly
2008-10-22  8:17 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] extended semantic of sk_buff::tstamp: lowest bit marks hardware time stamps Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12  7:41   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-12  8:09     ` Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 10:09       ` David Miller
2008-11-12  9:58   ` David Miller
2008-11-19 12:50     ` Patrick Ohly
2008-10-22 12:46 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] put_cmsg_compat + SO_TIMESTAMP[NS]: use same name for value as caller Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12  9:55   ` David Miller
2008-10-22 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] user space API for time stamping of incoming and outgoing packets Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 10:02   ` David Miller
2008-10-24 13:41 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] net: implement generic SOF_TIMESTAMPING_TX_* support Patrick Ohly
2008-11-11 23:15   ` Octavian Purdila
2008-11-12  8:38     ` Patrick Ohly
2008-10-24 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] ip: support for TX timestamps on UDP and RAW sockets Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12  9:59   ` David Miller
2008-10-29 14:48 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] workaround: detect time stamp when command flags are expected Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 10:00   ` David Miller
2008-10-31 11:43 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] net: add SIOCSHWTSTAMP - hardware time stamping of packets Patrick Ohly
2008-10-31 12:21 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] igb: stub support for SIOCSHWTSTAMP Patrick Ohly
2008-11-04  9:23 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] clocksource: allow usage independent of timekeeping.c Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 10:04   ` David Miller
2008-11-04  9:27 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] igb: infrastructure for hardware time stamping Patrick Ohly
2008-11-05  9:58 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] time sync: generic infrastructure to map between time stamps generated by a clock source and system time Patrick Ohly
2008-11-11 16:18   ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-12  8:01     ` Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 10:08       ` David Miller
2008-11-12 16:14         ` Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 16:28           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-12 10:05   ` David Miller
2008-11-06 11:13 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] igb: use clocksync to implement hardware time stamping Patrick Ohly
2008-11-07  9:26 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] skbuff: optionally store hardware time stamps in new field Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 16:06 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] hardware time stamping + igb example implementation Andi Kleen
2008-11-12 16:25   ` Patrick Ohly
2008-11-12 18:44     ` Oliver Hartkopp [this message]
2008-11-12 19:22       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-12 20:23         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-12 20:23         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-12 20:56           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-12 21:34             ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-12 22:26               ` Oliver Hartkopp
2008-11-13 15:53                 ` Ohly, Patrick
2008-11-13  6:15               ` Oliver Hartkopp
2008-11-13  6:29                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 16:05                 ` Ohly, Patrick
2008-11-16  8:15               ` Andrew Shewmaker
2008-11-12 22:17           ` David Miller
2008-11-19 12:39       ` Patrick Ohly

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