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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: ghaskins@novell.com, anthony@codemonkey.ws, andi@firstfloor.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, agraf@suse.de,
	pmullaney@novell.com, pmorreale@novell.com,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:27:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49D484F5.2000400@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090402091639.GA30126@gondor.apana.org.au>

Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 12:02:09PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>   
>> There is no choice.  Exiting from the guest to the kernel to userspace  
>> is prohibitively expensive, you can't do that on every packet.
>>     
>
> I was referring to the bit between the kernel and userspace.
>
> In any case, I just looked at the virtio mitigation code again
> and I am completely baffled at why we need it.  Look at Greg's
> code or the netback/netfront notification, why do we need this
> completely artificial mitigation when the ring itself provides
> a natural way of stemming the flow?
>   

If the vcpu thread does the transmit, then it will always complete 
sending immediately:

  guest: push packet, notify qemu
  qemu: disable notification
  qemu: pop packet
  qemu: copy to tap
  qemu: ??

At this point, qemu must enable notification again, since we have no 
notification from tap that the transmit completed.  The only alternative 
is the timer.

If we do the transmit through an extra thread, then scheduling latency 
buys us some time:

  guest: push packet, notify qemu
  qemu: disable notification
  qemu: schedule iothread
  iothread: pop packet
  iothread: copy to tap
  iothread: check for more packets
  iothread: enable notification

If tap told us when the packets were actually transmitted, life would be 
wonderful:

  guest: push packet, notify qemu
  qemu: disable notification
  qemu: pop packet
  qemu: queue on tap
  qemu: return to guest
  hardware: churn churn churn
  tap: packet is out
  iothread: check for more packets
  iothread: enable notification

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02  9:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-31 18:42 [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:44   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:58     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 21:05       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-01 12:12         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 12:24           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-01 13:57             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 16:06   ` Ben Hutchings
2009-04-02 18:13     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 03/17] vbus: add connection-client helper infrastructure Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 04/17] vbus: add bus-registration notifiers Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 05/17] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 06/17] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 07/17] ioq: add vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 08/17] venet: add the ABI definitions for an 802.x packet interface Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 09/17] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:39   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-02 11:43     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 10/17] venet-tap: Adds a "venet" compatible "tap" device to VBUS Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 11/17] venet: add scatter-gather support Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 12/17] venettap: " Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:43 ` [RFC PATCH 13/17] x86: allow the irq->vector translation to be determined outside of ioapic Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:16   ` Alan Cox
2009-03-31 20:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:22   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:37         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 19:20   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 19:39     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:13       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 20:32         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:59           ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 16/17] kvm: Add VBUS support to the host Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:44 ` [RFC PATCH 17/17] kvm: Add guest-side support for VBUS Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18 ` [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 12:03   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 13:23     ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 14:19       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 14:42         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 17:01         ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 18:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-01 20:40             ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 21:11               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 21:28                 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 22:10                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  6:00                     ` Chris Wright
2009-04-02  3:11               ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 21:09             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  0:29               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02  3:11                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  6:51               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  8:52                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:02                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:16                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:27                       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-04-02  9:29                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:33                           ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:38                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:41                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:44                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 11:06                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:59                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:30                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:43                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:03                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:13                               ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02 12:50                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:52                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:07                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:22                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:27                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:05                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:50                                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:00                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:40                                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:57                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:09                                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:06                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 17:17                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:25                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:10                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-03  4:43                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 10:55                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:48                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 10:58                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-03 11:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:12                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:48                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:54                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:55                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:02                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:05                                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:18                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-03 11:34                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:28                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 10:46                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:43                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:22                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:42                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:54                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:08                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:36                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:45                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:24                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:32                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:41                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:49                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:09                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:19                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 18:18                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-03  1:11                                               ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-20 18:02                                               ` Alex Williamson
2009-04-03 12:03                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 12:15                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:13                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 13:37                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 16:28                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:00                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  3:09             ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  6:46               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  8:54                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02  9:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02  9:05                     ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 20:29           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 22:23             ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 23:05               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01  6:08 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-01 11:35   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02  1:24     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02  2:27       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 16:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05  3:44     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-05  8:06       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 14:13       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05 16:10         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 16:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02  3:15   ` Herbert Xu
     [not found] <49D469D2020000A100045FA1@lucius.provo.novell.com>
2009-04-02 14:14 ` Patrick Mullaney
2009-04-02 14:27   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:31     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 15:49       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:06         ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:51           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:44         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 11:43           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 14:58             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 15:37               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 18:19                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:50                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 17:09               ` Chris Wright
2009-04-03 18:32                 ` Gregory Haskins

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