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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bridge: make bridge-nf-call-*tables default configurable
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:56:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A4B24AF.50604@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1246379267.3749.42.camel@blaa>

Mark McLoughlin wrote:
> With BRIDGE_NETFILTER enabled, bridge traffic is passed through
> netfilter as it is forwarded across the bridge. This is a useful
> feature in specialized cases where the admin wishes to filter bridge
> traffic based on higher-level protocol headers.
> 
> However, in a lot of cases, it causes a large amount of confusion
> since it is so counter-intuitive - nobody expects their IP firewall
> rules to also apply to traffic on their bridges.
> 
> This is especially true for virtualization, where users create a
> bridge and find that some types of traffic work and others don't, and
> it can take quite some time to identify iptables as the culprit. Users
> are often recommended to configure their iptables rules to ACCEPT
> "physdev-is-bridged" in order to avoid this confusion.
> 
> However, because nf_conntrack introduces an skb_orphan(), it is now
> recommended that bridge-nf-call-iptables be disabled completely so as
> to ensure features like TUNSETSNDBUF work as expected.
> 
> For these reasons, it makes sense to allow distributions to disable
> netfilter on the bridge by default and require those specialized users
> to enable it explicitly via sysctl.

I agree that this makes sense, at least temporarily. Mid-term
we should really fix the defaults, so it would be good to have a
feature-removal-schedule and maybe a runtime warning stating that
these defaults will change.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-01  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1246379267.3749.42.camel@blaa>
2009-06-30 17:00 ` [PATCH] bridge: make bridge-nf-call-*tables default configurable Herbert Xu
2009-06-30 19:06   ` David Miller
2009-06-30 20:16     ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-06-30 20:57       ` Mark Smith
2009-06-30 21:30         ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-07-01  1:48         ` Herbert Xu
2009-07-01  1:15       ` Herbert Xu
2009-07-01  3:50         ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-07-01  4:10           ` Herbert Xu
2009-07-01  4:14           ` Ben Greear
2009-07-01  9:01         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-07-01  8:57   ` Patrick McHardy
2009-07-01  9:07     ` Herbert Xu
2009-07-01  9:21       ` Patrick McHardy
2009-07-01 16:33         ` Herbert Xu
2009-07-01 17:01           ` Patrick McHardy
2009-07-01  3:16 ` David Miller
2009-07-01 10:45   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-07-01 10:51     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-07-01 16:02       ` David Miller
2009-07-01 16:05         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-07-01 16:08           ` David Miller
2009-07-01 21:18           ` Mark Smith
2009-07-01 16:02     ` David Miller
2009-07-01 16:26       ` Herbert Xu
2009-07-01  8:56 ` Patrick McHardy [this message]

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