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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:54:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A896112.9030407@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090816071607.GB29537@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> I think the reason vbus gets better performance for networking 
>> today is that vbus' backends are in the kernel while virtio's 
>> backends are currently in userspace.  Since Michael has a 
>> functioning in-kernel backend for virtio-net now, I suspect we're 
>> weeks (maybe days) away from performance results.  My expectation 
>> is that vhost + virtio-net will be as good as venet + vbus.  If 
>> that's the case, then I don't see any reason to adopt vbus unless 
>> Greg things there are other compelling features over virtio.
>>     
>
> Keeping virtio's backend in user-space was rather stupid IMHO. 
>   

I don't think it's quite so clear.

There's nothing about vhost_net that would prevent a userspace 
application from using it as a higher performance replacement for tun/tap.

The fact that we can avoid userspace for most of the fast paths is nice 
but that's really an issue of vhost_net vs. tun/tap.

 From the kernel's perspective, a KVM guest is just a userspace 
process.  Having new userspace interfaces that are only useful to KVM 
guests would be a bad thing.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-17 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-14 15:42 [PATCH v3 0/6] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-15 10:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-15 19:15     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-16  7:16       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 13:54         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-08-17 14:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 14:14       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:58         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 17:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 20:17           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18  8:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:19               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:25                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:53               ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 16:51                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 17:27                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 17:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 18:27                       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 18:52                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:59                           ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 21:26                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 22:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  0:44                                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19  5:26                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  0:38                               ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19  5:40                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 15:28                                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 15:37                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 16:29                                       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 16:38                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:05                                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-08-20  9:57                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2009-08-20 10:08                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:35                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 21:04                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 20:39                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 20:57                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 23:24                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18  1:08         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-18  7:38           ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18  8:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 13:16           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 13:45             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:51               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:14                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19  4:27                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  5:22                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 13:27                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:35                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:47                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-19  5:36                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  5:48                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  6:40                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  7:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:40                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 11:49                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:52                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:33                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-20 12:12                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-16  8:30     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 14:16       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:59         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:09           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:14             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:35               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:18             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 13:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 15:05         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:33             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18  8:33               ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 14:46                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:27                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  6:28                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  7:11                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:23                         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 18:39                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 19:19                             ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 19:34                               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 20:12                           ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:48                             ` configfs/sysfs Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19 20:53                               ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:19                             ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 22:15                             ` configfs/sysfs Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 22:16                             ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-19 23:48                               ` [Alacrityvm-devel] configfs/sysfs Alex Tsariounov
2009-08-19 23:54                               ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-20  6:09                               ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
     [not found]                               ` <4A8CE891.2010502@redhat.com>
2009-08-20 22:48                                 ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-21  4:14                                   ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:26                         ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 20:37                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-20 17:25                             ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-08-20 20:58                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2009-08-18 18:20                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 19:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  5:36                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18  9:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:00                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:09                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:13                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:45                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:07                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:49                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:54                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:39                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:39                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 15:13           ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] vbus-proxy: add a pci-to-vbus bridge Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] ioq: add driver-side vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins

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