From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:54:26 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A896112.9030407@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090816071607.GB29537@elte.hu>
Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> I think the reason vbus gets better performance for networking
>> today is that vbus' backends are in the kernel while virtio's
>> backends are currently in userspace. Since Michael has a
>> functioning in-kernel backend for virtio-net now, I suspect we're
>> weeks (maybe days) away from performance results. My expectation
>> is that vhost + virtio-net will be as good as venet + vbus. If
>> that's the case, then I don't see any reason to adopt vbus unless
>> Greg things there are other compelling features over virtio.
>>
>
> Keeping virtio's backend in user-space was rather stupid IMHO.
>
I don't think it's quite so clear.
There's nothing about vhost_net that would prevent a userspace
application from using it as a higher performance replacement for tun/tap.
The fact that we can avoid userspace for most of the fast paths is nice
but that's really an issue of vhost_net vs. tun/tap.
From the kernel's perspective, a KVM guest is just a userspace
process. Having new userspace interfaces that are only useful to KVM
guests would be a bad thing.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-17 13:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-14 15:42 [PATCH v3 0/6] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-15 10:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-15 19:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-16 7:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 13:54 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-08-17 14:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 14:14 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:58 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 17:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 20:17 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 8:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:19 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:53 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 16:51 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 17:27 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 17:47 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 18:27 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 18:52 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:59 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 21:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 22:06 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 0:44 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 5:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 0:38 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 5:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 15:28 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 15:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 16:29 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 16:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:05 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-08-20 9:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2009-08-20 10:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 21:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 20:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 20:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 23:24 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 1:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-18 7:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 13:16 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 13:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:51 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19 4:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 5:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 13:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:47 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-19 5:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 5:48 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 6:40 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 7:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:40 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 11:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:52 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-20 12:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-16 8:30 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 14:16 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:09 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:35 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:18 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 13:02 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 15:05 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:33 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 8:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 14:46 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 6:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 7:11 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:23 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 18:39 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 19:19 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 19:34 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 20:12 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:48 ` configfs/sysfs Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19 20:53 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:19 ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 22:15 ` configfs/sysfs Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 22:16 ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-19 23:48 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] configfs/sysfs Alex Tsariounov
2009-08-19 23:54 ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-20 6:09 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4A8CE891.2010502@redhat.com>
2009-08-20 22:48 ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-21 4:14 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:26 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 20:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-20 17:25 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-08-20 20:58 ` Caitlin Bestler
2009-08-18 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 19:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 5:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 9:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:39 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 15:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] vbus-proxy: add a pci-to-vbus bridge Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] ioq: add driver-side vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
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