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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: "Ira W. Snyder" <iws@ovro.caltech.edu>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Subject: Re: [Alacrityvm-devel] [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:52:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A8AF880.6080704@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090818182735.GD17631@ovro.caltech.edu>

On 08/18/2009 09:27 PM, Ira W. Snyder wrote:
>> I think in this case you want one side to be virtio-net (I'm guessing
>> the x86) and the other side vhost-net (the ppc boards with the dma
>> engine).  virtio-net on x86 would communicate with userspace on the ppc
>> board to negotiate features and get a mac address, the fast path would
>> be between virtio-net and vhost-net (which would use the dma engine to
>> push and pull data).
>>
>>      
>
> Ah, that seems backwards, but it should work after vhost-net learns how
> to use the DMAEngine API.
>
> I haven't studied vhost-net very carefully yet. As soon as I saw the
> copy_(to|from)_user() I stopped reading, because it seemed useless for
> my case. I'll look again and try to find where vhost-net supports
> setting MAC addresses and other features.
>    

It doesn't; all it does is pump the rings, leaving everything else to 
userspace.

> Also, in my case I'd like to boot Linux with my rootfs over NFS. Is
> vhost-net capable of this?
>    

It's just another network interface.  You'd need an initramfs though to 
contain the needed userspace.

> I've had Arnd, BenH, and Grant Likely (and others, privately) contact me
> about devices they are working with that would benefit from something
> like virtio-over-PCI. I'd like to see vhost-net be merged with the
> capability to support my use case. There are plenty of others that would
> benefit, not just myself.
>
> I'm not sure vhost-net is being written with this kind of future use in
> mind. I'd hate to see it get merged, and then have to change the ABI to
> support physical-device-to-device usage. It would be better to keep
> future use in mind now, rather than try and hack it in later.
>    

Please review and comment then.  I'm fairly confident there won't be any 
ABI issues since vhost-net does so little outside pumping the rings.

Note the signalling paths go through eventfd: when vhost-net wants the 
other side to look at its ring, it tickles an eventfd which is supposed 
to trigger an interrupt on the other side.  Conversely, when another 
eventfd is signalled, vhost-net will look at the ring and process any 
data there.  You'll need to wire your signalling to those eventfds, 
either in userspace or in the kernel.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-18 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-14 15:42 [PATCH v3 0/6] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-15 10:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-15 19:15     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-16  7:16       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 13:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-17 14:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 14:14       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:58         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 17:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 20:17           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18  8:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:19               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:25                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:53               ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 16:51                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 17:27                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 17:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 18:27                       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 18:52                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-08-18 20:59                           ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 21:26                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 22:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  0:44                                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19  5:26                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  0:38                               ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19  5:40                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 15:28                                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 15:37                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 16:29                                       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 16:38                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:05                                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-08-20  9:57                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2009-08-20 10:08                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:35                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 21:04                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 20:39                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 20:57                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 23:24                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18  1:08         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-18  7:38           ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18  8:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 13:16           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 13:45             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:51               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:14                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19  4:27                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  5:22                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 13:27                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:35                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:47                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-19  5:36                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  5:48                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  6:40                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  7:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:40                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 11:49                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:52                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:33                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-20 12:12                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-16  8:30     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 14:16       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:59         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:09           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:14             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:35               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:18             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 13:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 15:05         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:33             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18  8:33               ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 14:46                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:27                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  6:28                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19  7:11                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:23                         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 18:39                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 19:19                             ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 19:34                               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 20:12                           ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:48                             ` configfs/sysfs Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19 20:53                               ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:19                             ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 22:15                             ` configfs/sysfs Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 22:16                             ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-19 23:48                               ` [Alacrityvm-devel] configfs/sysfs Alex Tsariounov
2009-08-19 23:54                               ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-20  6:09                               ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
     [not found]                               ` <4A8CE891.2010502@redhat.com>
2009-08-20 22:48                                 ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-21  4:14                                   ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:26                         ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 20:37                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-20 17:25                             ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-08-20 20:58                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2009-08-18 18:20                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 19:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19  5:36                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18  9:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:00                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:09                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:13                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:45                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:07                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:49                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:54                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:39                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:39                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 15:13           ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] vbus-proxy: add a pci-to-vbus bridge Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] ioq: add driver-side vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins

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