From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: "Ira W. Snyder" <iws@ovro.caltech.edu>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-mm@kvack.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
s.hetze@linux-ag.com, alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:56:48 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AB8F3C0.7090203@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090922152520.GA9154@ovro.caltech.edu>
On 09/22/2009 06:25 PM, Ira W. Snyder wrote:
>
>> Yes. vbus is more finely layered so there is less code duplication.
>>
>> The virtio layering was more or less dictated by Xen which doesn't have
>> shared memory (it uses grant references instead). As a matter of fact
>> lguest, kvm/pci, and kvm/s390 all have shared memory, as you do, so that
>> part is duplicated. It's probably possible to add a virtio-shmem.ko
>> library that people who do have shared memory can reuse.
>>
>>
> Seems like a nice benefit of vbus.
>
Yes, it is. With some work virtio can gain that too (virtio-shmem.ko).
>>> I've given it some thought, and I think that running vhost-net (or
>>> similar) on the ppc boards, with virtio-net on the x86 crate server will
>>> work. The virtio-ring abstraction is almost good enough to work for this
>>> situation, but I had to re-invent it to work with my boards.
>>>
>>> I've exposed a 16K region of memory as PCI BAR1 from my ppc board.
>>> Remember that this is the "host" system. I used each 4K block as a
>>> "device descriptor" which contains:
>>>
>>> 1) the type of device, config space, etc. for virtio
>>> 2) the "desc" table (virtio memory descriptors, see virtio-ring)
>>> 3) the "avail" table (available entries in the desc table)
>>>
>>>
>> Won't access from x86 be slow to this memory (on the other hand, if you
>> change it to main memory access from ppc will be slow... really depends
>> on how your system is tuned.
>>
>>
> Writes across the bus are fast, reads across the bus are slow. These are
> just the descriptor tables for memory buffers, not the physical memory
> buffers themselves.
>
> These only need to be written by the guest (x86), and read by the host
> (ppc). The host never changes the tables, so we can cache a copy in the
> guest, for a fast detach_buf() implementation (see virtio-ring, which
> I'm copying the design from).
>
> The only accesses are writes across the PCI bus. There is never a need
> to do a read (except for slow-path configuration).
>
Okay, sounds like what you're doing it optimal then.
> In the spirit of "post early and often", I'm making my code available,
> that's all. I'm asking anyone interested for some review, before I have
> to re-code this for about the fifth time now. I'm trying to avoid
> Haskins' situation, where he's invented and debugged a lot of new code,
> and then been told to do it completely differently.
>
> Yes, the code I posted is only compile-tested, because quite a lot of
> code (kernel and userspace) must be working before anything works at
> all. I hate to design the whole thing, then be told that something
> fundamental about it is wrong, and have to completely re-write it.
>
Understood. Best to get a review from Rusty then.
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <cover.1251388414.git.mst@redhat.com>
2009-08-27 16:06 ` [PATCHv5 1/3] mm: export use_mm/unuse_mm to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-28 15:31 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCHv5 2/3] mm: reduce atomic use on use_mm fast path Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-03 18:39 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-07 10:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-08 17:20 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-08 20:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-11 15:17 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-13 5:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 5:57 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-14 7:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-11 16:00 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-11 16:14 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-13 12:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:08 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-14 16:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 19:14 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 12:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 13:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:50 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 15:03 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 20:08 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 20:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 20:43 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:39 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:55 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 14:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 15:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 15:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 16:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 8:23 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 11:44 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 13:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 14:10 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 15:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 19:22 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 21:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17 3:11 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17 7:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17 14:16 ` Javier Guerra
2009-09-21 21:43 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22 9:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 15:25 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22 15:56 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-09-23 14:26 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 14:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 15:10 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 17:58 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 19:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 21:15 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24 7:18 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-25 8:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25 21:32 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-27 9:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 20:04 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-01 8:34 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 9:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-01 19:24 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-03 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 19:27 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-25 7:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 8:03 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:04 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17 3:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-17 4:13 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 12:32 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-14 16:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 19:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-25 17:01 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-27 7:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] <E88DD564E9DC5446A76B2B47C3BCCA150219600F9B@pdsmsx503.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2009-08-31 11:42 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 15:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-01 14:58 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 17:52 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-31 21:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-01 15:37 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01 5:04 ` Xin, Xiaohui
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