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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Julian Anastasov <ja@ssi.bg>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT is missing counter update
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:08:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AD81C0B.90804@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091016061806.GD5574@1wt.eu>

Willy Tarreau a écrit :
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 08:05:19AM +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>> Couldn't we just rely on the retrans vs rskq_defer_accept comparison ?
>>>
>> In this case, we lose TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT advantage in case one SYN-ACK was dropped
>> by the network : We wakeup the listening server when first ACK comes from client,
>> instead of really wait the request.
>>
>> I think being able to count pure-acks would be slighly better, and cost nothing.
>>
>>
>> retrans is the number of SYN-RECV (re)sent, while req_acks would count number of
>> pure ACK received.
>>
>> Those numbers, in an ideal world should be related, but could differ in real world ?
> 
> Yes it could differ if a pure ACK is lost between the client and the server,
> but in my opinion what is important is not to precisely account the number
> of ACKs to ensure we wake up exactly after XXX ACKs received, but that in
> most common situations we avoid to wake up too early.
> 

We basically same thing, but you misundertood me. I was concerning about
one lost (server -> client SYN-ACK), not a lost (client -> server ACK) which is fine
(even without playing with TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT at all)

In this case, if we do the retrans test, we'll accept the first (client -> server ACK)
and wakeup the application, while most probably we'll receive the client request
 few milli second later.

> Also, keep in mind that the TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT parameter is passed in number
> of seconds by the application, which are in turn converted to a number of
> retransmits based on our own timer, which means that our SYN-ACK counter
> is what most closely matches the application's expected delay, even if an
> ACK from the client gets lost in between or if a client's stack retransmits
> pure ACKs very fast for any implementation-specific reason.
> 

Well, this is why converting application delay (sockopt() argument) in second units
to a number of SYN-ACK counter is subobptimal and error prone.

This might be changed to be mapped to what documentation states : a number of seconds,
or even better a number of milli seconds (new TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT_MS setsockopt cmd),
because a high performance server wont play with > 1 sec values anyway.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-16  7:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-13  5:07 TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT is missing counter update Willy Tarreau
2009-10-13  7:11 ` David Miller
2009-10-13  7:19   ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-13  7:27     ` David Miller
2009-10-13 21:27     ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-14  4:52       ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-14  7:27         ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-14 20:17           ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-14 21:12             ` Olaf van der Spek
2009-10-14 22:43             ` David Miller
2009-10-15  6:08               ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-15  8:47                 ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-15 12:41                   ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-15 22:44                     ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-16  3:51                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-16  5:00                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-16  5:29                           ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-16  6:05                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-16  6:18                               ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-16  7:08                                 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2009-10-16  7:19                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-16  5:03                       ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-16  8:49                         ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-16 10:40                           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-16 19:27                             ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-17 11:48                             ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-17 12:07                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-17 14:20                                 ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-19 20:01                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-19 20:11                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-19 20:17                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-20  2:23                                     ` David Miller
2009-10-15  7:59               ` Julian Anastasov
2009-10-16 10:08           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2009-10-13  7:23 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-13  7:34   ` Willy Tarreau
2009-10-13  8:08     ` Olaf van der Spek
2009-10-13  8:29     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-13  8:35       ` David Miller
2009-10-13  7:35   ` David Miller
2009-10-13  8:12     ` Willy Tarreau

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