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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Jay Vosburgh <fubar@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Jasper Spaans <spaans@fox-it.com>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: bridging + load balancing bonding
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:53:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AE09C2E.6020702@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <347.1256232960@death.nxdomain.ibm.com>

Jay Vosburgh a écrit :

> 	By "packets from one flow" do you really mean that packets from
> a given "flow" (TCP connection, UDP "stream", etc) are not always
> delivered to the same bonding port?  I.e., that two packets from the
> same "flow" will be delivered to different ports?  I'm not sure how
> that's possible unless the source MAC in the packets changes during the
> course of the flow.
> 
> 	Or is your problem really that the balance algorithm on the
> bonding send side doesn't match the algorithm used on the other side of
> the IDS machines coming the other direction (and, thus, packets for a
> given flow going in one direction end up at a different IDS than the
> packets going the other direction)?
> 

Yes this is probably Jasper problem : catch both direction on same IDS target

Say you have machine A with MAC address MAC_A
and machine B with MAC address MAC_B
(I suspect asymetric routing on A or B is out of the question :) )

A tcp / udp/ whatever protocol flow is running between these two machines

When machine A sends a frame to machine B, Jasper machine
receives a copy of this frame, with eth->src = MAC_A and eth->dst = MAC_B

With current xor algo, we perform a hash on (bond->dev_addr[5] ^ MAC_B[5])  -> IDS X

When machine B sends a frame to machine A, Jasper machine
receives a copy of this frame, with eth->src = MAC_B and eth->dst = MAC_A

With current xor algo, we peform a hash on (bond->dev_addr[5] ^ MAC_A[5])  -> possibly other IDS Y


With his fix, algo is a commutative hash (MAC_A[5] ^ MAC_B[5]) ==  (MAC_B[5] ^ MAC_A[5])



I suspect multicast/broadcast trafic should be sent to both IDS, so bonding might be inappropriate anyway...

an iptables solution might be more powerfull

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-22 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-22 12:23 bridging + load balancing bonding Jasper Spaans
2009-10-22 15:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-22 17:36   ` Jay Vosburgh
2009-10-22 17:53     ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2009-10-23 11:45     ` Jasper Spaans
2009-10-23 11:58       ` [PATCH] Modify bonding hash transmit policies to use the packet's source MAC address Jasper Spaans
2009-10-23 12:37         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-23 14:08           ` Jasper Spaans
2009-10-23 16:02             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-23 16:23             ` Jay Vosburgh
2009-10-24 14:02               ` David Miller
2009-10-23 14:09           ` [PATCH] Remove bond_dev from xmit_hash_policy call Jasper Spaans
2009-10-23 16:05             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-23 16:24             ` Jay Vosburgh
2009-10-24 14:00               ` David Miller
2009-10-23  8:38   ` bridging + load balancing bonding Jasper Spaans
2009-10-23  8:55     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-23  9:51       ` Jasper Spaans
2009-10-23  9:54         ` Eric Dumazet

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