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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@diku.dk>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Changli Gao <xiaosuo@gmail.com>,
	hawk@comx.dk,
	Linux Kernel Network Hackers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Netfilter Developers <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: DDoS attack causing bad effect on conntrack searches
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:55:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BD17CAA.4090708@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1271970199.7895.6482.camel@edumazet-laptop>

Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le jeudi 22 avril 2010 à 22:38 +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer a écrit :
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>
>>> Le jeudi 22 avril 2010 à 08:51 -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
>>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 04:53:49PM +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>>>> Le jeudi 22 avril 2010 à 16:36 +0200, Eric Dumazet a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can do the 'retry' a 10 times, it means the attacker was really
>>>>> clever enough to inject new packets (new conntracks) at the right
>>>>> moment, in the right hash chain, and this sounds so higly incredible
>>>>> that I cannot believe it at all :)
>>>> Or maybe the DoS attack is injecting so many new conntracks that a large
>>>> fraction of the hash chains are being modified at any given time?
>>>>
>> I think its plausable, there is a lot of modification going on.
>> Approx 40.000 deletes/sec and 40.000 inserts/sec.
>> The hash bucket size is 300032, and with 80000 modifications/sec, we are 
>> (potentially) changing 26.6% of the hash chains each second.
>>
> 
> OK but a lookup last a fraction of a micro second, unless interrupted by
> hard irq.
> 
> Probability of a change during a lookup should be very very small.
> 
> Note that the scenario for a restart is :
> 
> The lookup go through the chain.
> While it is examining one object, this object is deleted.
> The object is re-allocated by another cpu and inserted to a new chain.

I think another scenario that seems a bit more likely would be
that a new entry is added to the chain after it was fully searched.
Perhaps we could continue searching at the last position if the
last entry is not a nulls entry to improve this.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-23 10:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-22 12:58 DDoS attack causing bad effect on conntrack searches Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-22 13:13 ` Changli Gao
2010-04-22 13:17   ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-22 14:36     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 14:53       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 15:51         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-04-22 16:02           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 16:34             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-04-22 20:38             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-22 21:03               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 21:14                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 23:44                   ` David Miller
2010-04-23  5:44                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23  8:13                       ` David Miller
2010-04-23  8:18                         ` David Miller
2010-04-23  8:40                           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 10:36                   ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 11:06                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 21:28                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23  7:23                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-04-23  7:46                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23  7:55                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-04-23  9:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23 10:55                 ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2010-04-23 11:05                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23 11:06                     ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 20:57               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-24 11:11                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-24 20:11                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-26 14:36                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-05-31 21:21                       ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-01  0:28                         ` Changli Gao
2010-06-01  5:05                           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-01  5:48                             ` Changli Gao
2010-06-01 10:18                             ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-01 10:31                               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-01 10:41                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-01 16:20                                   ` [RFC nf-next-2.6] conntrack: per cpu nf_conntrack_untracked Eric Dumazet
2010-06-04 11:40                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-04 12:10                                       ` Changli Gao
2010-06-04 12:29                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-04 12:36                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-04 16:25                                             ` [PATCH nf-next-2.6] conntrack: IPS_UNTRACKED bit Eric Dumazet
2010-06-04 20:15                                               ` [PATCH nf-next-2.6 2/2] conntrack: per_cpu untracking Eric Dumazet
2010-06-08 14:29                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-08 14:52                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-08 15:12                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-09 12:45                                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-08 14:12                                               ` [PATCH nf-next-2.6] conntrack: IPS_UNTRACKED bit Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 10:56       ` DDoS attack causing bad effect on conntrack searches Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 12:45         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 13:57           ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-22 13:31   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 10:35     ` Patrick McHardy

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