From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@diku.dk>,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Changli Gao <xiaosuo@gmail.com>,
hawk@comx.dk,
Linux Kernel Network Hackers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Netfilter Developers <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: DDoS attack causing bad effect on conntrack searches
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:55:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BD17CAA.4090708@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1271970199.7895.6482.camel@edumazet-laptop>
Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le jeudi 22 avril 2010 à 22:38 +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer a écrit :
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>
>>> Le jeudi 22 avril 2010 à 08:51 -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
>>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 04:53:49PM +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>>>> Le jeudi 22 avril 2010 à 16:36 +0200, Eric Dumazet a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can do the 'retry' a 10 times, it means the attacker was really
>>>>> clever enough to inject new packets (new conntracks) at the right
>>>>> moment, in the right hash chain, and this sounds so higly incredible
>>>>> that I cannot believe it at all :)
>>>> Or maybe the DoS attack is injecting so many new conntracks that a large
>>>> fraction of the hash chains are being modified at any given time?
>>>>
>> I think its plausable, there is a lot of modification going on.
>> Approx 40.000 deletes/sec and 40.000 inserts/sec.
>> The hash bucket size is 300032, and with 80000 modifications/sec, we are
>> (potentially) changing 26.6% of the hash chains each second.
>>
>
> OK but a lookup last a fraction of a micro second, unless interrupted by
> hard irq.
>
> Probability of a change during a lookup should be very very small.
>
> Note that the scenario for a restart is :
>
> The lookup go through the chain.
> While it is examining one object, this object is deleted.
> The object is re-allocated by another cpu and inserted to a new chain.
I think another scenario that seems a bit more likely would be
that a new entry is added to the chain after it was fully searched.
Perhaps we could continue searching at the last position if the
last entry is not a nulls entry to improve this.
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-22 12:58 DDoS attack causing bad effect on conntrack searches Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-22 13:13 ` Changli Gao
2010-04-22 13:17 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-22 14:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 14:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 15:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-04-22 16:02 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 16:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-04-22 20:38 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-22 21:03 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 21:14 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 23:44 ` David Miller
2010-04-23 5:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23 8:13 ` David Miller
2010-04-23 8:18 ` David Miller
2010-04-23 8:40 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 10:36 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 11:06 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-22 21:28 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 7:23 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-04-23 7:46 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23 7:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-04-23 9:23 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23 10:55 ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2010-04-23 11:05 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-23 11:06 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 20:57 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-24 11:11 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-24 20:11 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-04-26 14:36 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-05-31 21:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-01 0:28 ` Changli Gao
2010-06-01 5:05 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-01 5:48 ` Changli Gao
2010-06-01 10:18 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-01 10:31 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-01 10:41 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-01 16:20 ` [RFC nf-next-2.6] conntrack: per cpu nf_conntrack_untracked Eric Dumazet
2010-06-04 11:40 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-04 12:10 ` Changli Gao
2010-06-04 12:29 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-04 12:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-04 16:25 ` [PATCH nf-next-2.6] conntrack: IPS_UNTRACKED bit Eric Dumazet
2010-06-04 20:15 ` [PATCH nf-next-2.6 2/2] conntrack: per_cpu untracking Eric Dumazet
2010-06-08 14:29 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-08 14:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-08 15:12 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-09 12:45 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-06-08 14:12 ` [PATCH nf-next-2.6] conntrack: IPS_UNTRACKED bit Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 10:56 ` DDoS attack causing bad effect on conntrack searches Patrick McHardy
2010-04-23 12:45 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 13:57 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-04-22 13:31 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2010-04-23 10:35 ` Patrick McHardy
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