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From: Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: luca@llucax.com.ar, jon.maloy@ericsson.com,
	tipc-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.35/TIPC 2.0 ABI breaking changes
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:11:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CBCD429.8090306@windriver.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101018.151708.193712688.davem@davemloft.net>

On 10-10-18 06:17 PM, David Miller wrote:
> From: Paul Gortmaker<paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:42:33 -0400
> 
>> If you have access to the user space code in question, you can just
>> switch behaviour semantics based on the results of a uname call, knowing
>> that this change was included in versions since approx last Feb.  There
>> is also /proc/version which can be parsed manually if you prefer.
> 
> Requiring userspace to check kernel versioning information in order
> to user an exported userspace API correctly is _ALWAYS_ _WRONG_.
> 
> You cannot and must not make backwards incompatible changes to
> userspace interfaces.

What I think has happened here (and I'll double check this
tomorrow, since it is before I started assisting with tipc)
is that a backwards incompatible change *did* inadvertently
creep in via these two (related) commits:

--------------
commit d88dca79d3852a3623f606f781e013d61486828a
Author: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Date:   Mon Mar 8 12:20:58 2010 -0800

    tipc: fix endianness on tipc subscriber messages
--------------

and

---------------
commit c6537d6742985da1fbf12ae26cde6a096fd35b5c
Author: Jon Paul Maloy <jon.maloy@ericsson.com>
Date:   Tue Apr 6 11:40:52 2010 +0000

    TIPC: Updated topology subscription protocol according to latest spec
---------------

Based on Leandro's info, I think it comes down to userspace
not knowing exactly where to find these bits anymore:

#define TIPC_SUB_SERVICE       0x00    /* Filter for service availability    */
#define TIPC_SUB_PORTS         0x01    /* Filter for port availability  */
#define TIPC_SUB_CANCEL         0x04    /* Cancel a subscription         */

...because it doesn't know if there is the old auto endian
 swap thing being done or not being done.

Assuming it is possible to do so in some non-kludgy way,
it sounds like we want to be looking into an in-kernel change
that ensures the older user space binaries get their
functionality restored then?

Thanks,
Paul.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-18 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <20100929153805.GG2834@integratech.com.ar>
     [not found]     ` <29C1DC0826876849BDD9F1C67ABA29430914AC18@ala-mail09.corp.ad.wrs.com>
     [not found]       ` <20101001150034.GS8781@llucax.com.ar>
     [not found]         ` <0434463FDA60A94FA978ACA44617682DEE843EDD79@EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se>
     [not found]           ` <20101001162346.GV8781@llucax.com.ar>
     [not found]             ` <4CA69F18.7000005@amln.net>
     [not found]               ` <0434463FDA60A94FA978ACA44617682DEE8446A03B@EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se>
2010-10-18 15:04                 ` Linux 2.6.35/TIPC 2.0 ABI breaking changes [was: TIPC 2.0 and TIPC_SUB_SERVICE] Leandro Lucarella
     [not found]                 ` <20101018150422.GV8781@llucax.com.ar>
2010-10-18 18:46                   ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-18 20:42                     ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-18 22:17                       ` Linux 2.6.35/TIPC 2.0 ABI breaking changes David Miller
2010-10-18 23:11                         ` Paul Gortmaker [this message]
2010-10-18 23:38                           ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-18 23:45                           ` Neil Horman
2010-10-19  2:16                             ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-19  8:16                               ` David Miller
2010-10-19 11:04                                 ` Neil Horman
2010-10-19 11:06                                   ` David Miller
2010-10-19 13:19                                   ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-19 13:28                                     ` Neil Horman
2010-10-19 20:18                                     ` Neil Horman
2010-10-19 20:43                                       ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-19 22:03                                         ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 17:20                                       ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 17:57                                         ` Jon Maloy
2010-10-20 18:04                                           ` Neil Horman
2010-10-20 18:10                                             ` Jon Maloy
2010-10-20 18:28                                               ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 19:23                                                 ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 22:59                                                   ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 18:24                                           ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 18:37                                             ` Jon Maloy
2010-10-20 18:44                                               ` Leandro Lucarella
2010-10-20 17:57                                         ` Neil Horman
2010-10-18 23:58                         ` Alan Cox
2010-10-20  1:09 nhorman

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