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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi>,
	"Neal Cardwell" <ncardwell@google.com>,
	"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Tom Herbert" <therbert@google.com>,
	"Maciej Żenczykowski" <maze@google.com>,
	"Yuchung Cheng" <ycheng@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next] tcp: avoid expensive pskb_expand_head() calls
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:48:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F904FFE.60703@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1334856306.2395.208.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

On 04/19/2012 10:25 AM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 10:20 -0700, Rick Jones wrote:
>
>> By copying them to smaller buffers? Or just by altering truesize?
>> Wasn't the whole point of fixing all the broken truesize settings to
>> accurately account for memory consumed?
>
> I checked, their truesize are OK (1024+256) for ixgbe driver.
> They could be little smaller, but not that much. (512 + 256)
>
> No, its only the sk_rcvbuf is small for a tcp sender,
> and sk_add_backlog() makes sure we dont queue more than sk_rcvbuf
> bytes in backlog.

Sounds like a variation on the theme of wildly divergent 
inbound/outbound bandwidth and constraining ACKs constraining throughput 
- only with buffer sizes.

87380 is the default SO_RCVBUF right?  That should have allowed 
87380/1280 or 68 ACKs to be queued.  Without ACK stretching from GRO 
that should have covered 68 * 2896 or 196928 bytes.  Based on your 
previous 54 usec to transmit 64 KB that would be 162+ usecs to 
accumulate those ACKs, so I guess a question becomes if TCP can be 
held-off processing ACKs for > 162 usecs, and if so and that cannot be 
changed, the autotuning will have to start increasing SO_SNDBUF 
alongside so_sndbuf even if the endpoint is not receiving.  As a 
handwave, since TCP does not know the buffer size(s) used by the driver, 
by 1 MSS for every 2 MSS it adds to SO_SNDBUF.  Or find some way to do 
it "on demand" in the about to drop path.

That or bare ACKs have to be excluded from the overhead checks somehow I 
guess, or there be more aggressive copying into smaller buffers.

Thankfully, when applications make explicit setsockopt() calls, they 
tend (ok, perhaps that is a bit of a guess) to set both SO_SNDBUF and 
SO_RCVBUF at the same time.

rick

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-19 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-17  9:06 [BUG] ixgbe: something wrong with queue selection ? Eric Dumazet
2012-04-17  9:16 ` Jeff Kirsher
2012-04-17 16:01   ` Alexander Duyck
2012-04-17 16:38     ` John Fastabend
2012-04-17 17:07       ` Ben Hutchings
2012-04-17 16:46     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-17 21:38       ` TSO not 10G friendly if peer is close enough Eric Dumazet
2012-04-17 21:47         ` David Miller
2012-04-18  3:00           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 15:49         ` [PATCH net-next] tcp: avoid expensive pskb_expand_head() calls Eric Dumazet
     [not found]           ` <4F8EF317.10504@hp.com>
2012-04-18 17:16             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 17:30               ` Rick Jones
2012-04-18 17:40                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 18:40           ` Neal Cardwell
2012-04-18 19:18             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 19:51               ` [PATCH v2 " Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 11:10                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-19 11:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 11:40                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 11:57                       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-19 12:44                         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-20 12:27                           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-19 13:18                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 13:52                       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 14:10                         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 17:20                           ` Rick Jones
2012-04-19 17:25                             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 17:48                               ` Rick Jones [this message]
2012-04-19 18:00                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 18:05                                   ` Rick Jones
2012-04-18 19:41           ` [PATCH " Vijay Subramanian
2012-04-18 19:49             ` Eric Dumazet

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