From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi>,
"Neal Cardwell" <ncardwell@google.com>,
"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
"Tom Herbert" <therbert@google.com>,
"Maciej Żenczykowski" <maze@google.com>,
"Yuchung Cheng" <ycheng@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next] tcp: avoid expensive pskb_expand_head() calls
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:48:46 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F904FFE.60703@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1334856306.2395.208.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
On 04/19/2012 10:25 AM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 10:20 -0700, Rick Jones wrote:
>
>> By copying them to smaller buffers? Or just by altering truesize?
>> Wasn't the whole point of fixing all the broken truesize settings to
>> accurately account for memory consumed?
>
> I checked, their truesize are OK (1024+256) for ixgbe driver.
> They could be little smaller, but not that much. (512 + 256)
>
> No, its only the sk_rcvbuf is small for a tcp sender,
> and sk_add_backlog() makes sure we dont queue more than sk_rcvbuf
> bytes in backlog.
Sounds like a variation on the theme of wildly divergent
inbound/outbound bandwidth and constraining ACKs constraining throughput
- only with buffer sizes.
87380 is the default SO_RCVBUF right? That should have allowed
87380/1280 or 68 ACKs to be queued. Without ACK stretching from GRO
that should have covered 68 * 2896 or 196928 bytes. Based on your
previous 54 usec to transmit 64 KB that would be 162+ usecs to
accumulate those ACKs, so I guess a question becomes if TCP can be
held-off processing ACKs for > 162 usecs, and if so and that cannot be
changed, the autotuning will have to start increasing SO_SNDBUF
alongside so_sndbuf even if the endpoint is not receiving. As a
handwave, since TCP does not know the buffer size(s) used by the driver,
by 1 MSS for every 2 MSS it adds to SO_SNDBUF. Or find some way to do
it "on demand" in the about to drop path.
That or bare ACKs have to be excluded from the overhead checks somehow I
guess, or there be more aggressive copying into smaller buffers.
Thankfully, when applications make explicit setsockopt() calls, they
tend (ok, perhaps that is a bit of a guess) to set both SO_SNDBUF and
SO_RCVBUF at the same time.
rick
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-04-19 17:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-04-17 9:06 [BUG] ixgbe: something wrong with queue selection ? Eric Dumazet
2012-04-17 9:16 ` Jeff Kirsher
2012-04-17 16:01 ` Alexander Duyck
2012-04-17 16:38 ` John Fastabend
2012-04-17 17:07 ` Ben Hutchings
2012-04-17 16:46 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-17 21:38 ` TSO not 10G friendly if peer is close enough Eric Dumazet
2012-04-17 21:47 ` David Miller
2012-04-18 3:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 15:49 ` [PATCH net-next] tcp: avoid expensive pskb_expand_head() calls Eric Dumazet
[not found] ` <4F8EF317.10504@hp.com>
2012-04-18 17:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 17:30 ` Rick Jones
2012-04-18 17:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 18:40 ` Neal Cardwell
2012-04-18 19:18 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-18 19:51 ` [PATCH v2 " Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 11:10 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-19 11:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 11:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 11:57 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-19 12:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-20 12:27 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-19 13:18 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 13:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 14:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 17:20 ` Rick Jones
2012-04-19 17:25 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 17:48 ` Rick Jones [this message]
2012-04-19 18:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-19 18:05 ` Rick Jones
2012-04-18 19:41 ` [PATCH " Vijay Subramanian
2012-04-18 19:49 ` Eric Dumazet
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