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From: Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/3] net: provide macros for commonly copied lockless queue stop/wake code
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2023 22:41:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ba26f4a-4bdb-1852-7406-6f6f723986ad@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230401115854.371a5b4c@kernel.org>

On 01.04.2023 20:58, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 17:18:12 +0200 Heiner Kallweit wrote:
>>> +#define __netif_tx_queue_maybe_wake(txq, get_desc, start_thrs, down_cond) \
>>> +	({								\
>>> +		int _res;						\
>>> +									\
>>> +		_res = -1;						\  
>>
>> One more question: Don't we need a read memory barrier here to ensure
>> get_desc is up-to-date?
> 
> CC: Alex, maybe I should not be posting after 10pm, with the missing v2
> and sparse CC list.. :|
> 
> I was thinking about this too yesterday. AFAICT this implementation
> could indeed result in waking even tho the queue is full on non-x86.
> That's why the drivers have an extra check at the start of .xmit? :(
> 
> I *think* that the right ordering would be:
> 
> WRITE cons
> mb()  # A
> READ stopped
> rmb() # C
> READ prod, cons
> 
> And on the producer side (existing):
> 
> WRITE prod
> READ prod, cons
> mb()  # B
> WRITE stopped
> READ prod, cons
> 
> But I'm slightly afraid to change it, it's been working for over 
> a decade :D
> 
> One neat thing that I noticed, which we could potentially exploit 
> if we were to touch this code is that BQL already has a smp_mb() 
> on the consumer side. So on any kernel config and driver which support
> BQL we can use that instead of adding another barrier at #A.
> 
To me it seems ixgbe relies on this BQL-related barrier in
netdev_tx_completed_queue, maybe unintentionally.

I wonder whether we should move the smp_mb() from __netif_tx_queue_try_wake
to __netif_tx_queue_maybe_wake, before accessing get_desc.
Answer may depend on whether there's any use case where drivers would
call the "try" version directly, instead of the "may" version.
And, just thinking out loud, maybe add a flag to the macro to disable
the smp_mb() call, for cases where the driver has the required barrier
already. Setting this flag may look like this.

bool disable_barrier_in_may_wake = IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_BQL);

However this is quite some effort just to avoid a duplicated barrier.

> It would actually be a neat optimization because right now, AFAICT,
> completion will fire the # A -like barrier almost every time.
> 
>>> +		if (likely(get_desc > start_thrs))			\
>>> +			_res = __netif_tx_queue_try_wake(txq, get_desc,	\
>>> +							 start_thrs,	\
>>> +							 down_cond);	\
>>> +		_res;							\
>>> +	})


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-01 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-01  5:12 [PATCH net-next 0/3] net: provide macros for commonly copied lockless queue stop/wake code Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01  5:12 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] " Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01 15:04   ` Heiner Kallweit
2023-04-01 18:03     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01 15:18   ` Heiner Kallweit
2023-04-01 18:58     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01 20:41       ` Heiner Kallweit [this message]
2023-04-03 15:18       ` Alexander Duyck
2023-04-03 15:56         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-03 18:11           ` Alexander Duyck
2023-04-03 19:03             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-03 20:27               ` Alexander Duyck
2023-04-05 22:20                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-04-06  5:15                   ` Herbert Xu
2023-04-06 14:17                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-04-06 14:46                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-06 15:45                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-04-06 15:56                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-06 16:25                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-04-07  0:58                         ` Herbert Xu
2023-04-07  1:03                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-07  1:14                             ` Herbert Xu
2023-04-07  1:21                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-04  6:39         ` Herbert Xu
2023-04-04 22:36           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01  5:12 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] ixgbe: use new queue try_stop/try_wake macros Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01  5:12 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] bnxt: " Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-01 18:35   ` Michael Chan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-03-22 23:30 [PATCH net-next 1/3] net: provide macros for commonly copied lockless queue stop/wake code Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-23  0:35 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-03-23  1:04   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-23 21:02     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-03-23 22:46       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-23  3:05 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-03-23  3:27   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-23  4:53 ` Pavan Chebbi
2023-03-23  5:08   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-23 16:05 ` Alexander H Duyck
2023-03-24  3:09   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-24 15:45     ` Alexander Duyck
2023-03-24 21:28       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-26 21:23         ` Alexander Duyck
2023-03-29  0:56           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-30 14:56             ` Paolo Abeni

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