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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, Jesse Gross <jesse@nicira.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] GRO scalability
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:49:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5073121B.2070300@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1349715561.21172.3463.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

On 10/08/2012 09:59 AM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 09:40 -0700, Rick Jones wrote:
>> Whe I say shuffle I mean something along the lines of interleave.  So,
>> if we have four flows, 1-4, a perfect shuffle of their segments would be
>> something like:
>>
>> 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
>>
>> but not well shuffled might look like
>>
>> 1 1 3 2 3 2 4 4 4 1 3 2
>>
>
> If all these packets are delivered in the same NAPI run, and correctly
> aggregated, their order doesnt matter.
>
> In first case, we will deliver  B1, B2, B3, B4   (B being a GRO packet
> with 3 MSS)
>
> In second case we will deliver
>
> B1 B3 B2 B4

So, with my term shuffle better defined, let's circle back to your 
proposal to try to GRO-service a very much larger group of flows, with a 
"flush queued packets older than N packets" heuristic as part of the 
latency minimization.  If N were 2 there - half the number of flows, the 
"perfect" shuffle" doesn't get aggregated at all right? N would have to 
be 4 or the number of concurrent flows.   What I'm trying to get at is 
just to how many concurrent flows you are trying to get GRO to scale, 
and whether at that level you have asymptotically approached having a 
hash/retained state that is, basically, a duplicate of what is happening 
in TCP.

rick

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-08 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-27 12:48 [PATCH net-next 3/3] ipv4: gre: add GRO capability Eric Dumazet
2012-09-27 17:52 ` Jesse Gross
2012-09-27 18:08   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-09-27 18:19     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-09-27 22:03       ` Jesse Gross
2012-09-28 14:04         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-01 20:56           ` Jesse Gross
2012-10-05 14:52             ` [RFC] GRO scalability Eric Dumazet
2012-10-05 18:16               ` Rick Jones
2012-10-05 19:00                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-05 19:35                   ` Rick Jones
2012-10-05 20:06                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 16:40                       ` Rick Jones
2012-10-08 16:59                         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 17:49                           ` Rick Jones [this message]
2012-10-08 17:55                             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 17:56                               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 18:58                                 ` [RFC] napi: limit GRO latency Stephen Hemminger
2012-10-08 19:10                                   ` David Miller
2012-10-08 19:12                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2012-10-08 19:30                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 19:40                                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2012-10-08 19:46                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 19:21                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 18:21                               ` [RFC] GRO scalability Rick Jones
2012-10-08 18:28                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-06  4:11               ` Herbert Xu
2012-10-06  5:08                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-06  5:14                   ` Herbert Xu
2012-10-06  6:22                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-06  7:00                       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-06 10:56                         ` Herbert Xu
2012-10-06 18:08                           ` [PATCH] net: gro: selective flush of packets Eric Dumazet
2012-10-07  0:32                             ` Herbert Xu
2012-10-07  5:29                               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08  7:39                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 16:42                                   ` Rick Jones
2012-10-08 17:10                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-08 18:52                             ` David Miller
2012-09-27 22:03     ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] ipv4: gre: add GRO capability Jesse Gross
2012-10-01 21:04 ` David Miller

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