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From: Matthieu Baerts <matttbe@kernel.org>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>,
	Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, yuhuang@redhat.com,
	justin.iurman@gmail.com, horms@kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com,
	kuba@kernel.org, edumazet@google.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	idosch@nvidia.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
	Chris Adams <linux@cmadams.net>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	Beniamino Galvani <bgalvani@redhat.com>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <regressions@leemhuis.info>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	ihuguet@redhat.com, regressions@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH net v2] Revert "ipv6: preserve insertion order for same-scope addresses"
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2026 12:03:59 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5079261a-79e5-421b-bf6a-a511acaaeca4@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260529134045.56330243@elisabeth>

Hi Stefano,

On 29/05/2026 21:41, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2026 13:23:57 +0200
> Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de> wrote:
> 
>> Chris Adams reported that preserving insertion order for same-scope
>> addresses is causing SSH connections to be dropped after stopping a VM
>> while running NetworkManager.
>>
>> NetworkManager caches the IPv6 address configuration, when a RA arrives,
>> it determines the list of addresses to configure and checks if the
>> addresses are already in the right order in the kernel. If they aren't,
>> NetworkManager removes and re-adds them to achieve the desired order.
>>
>> As the order changes, NetworkManager is confused and reconfigures the
>> addresses on every update. In addition, this would also affect to cloud
>> tooling that relies on IPv6 addresses order to identify primary and
>> secondaries addresses.
> 
> By the way, I'm still looking into this part, trying to find
> "problematic" examples.
> 
> And I couldn't find any, yet, because it looks like there's always a
> _single_ IPv6 address being used as a secondary for a primary IPv4
> address.

FYI, the order change also affected some specific scripts, e.g. here
with MPTCP and packetdrill:

  https://github.com/multipath-tcp/packetdrill/commit/1b7cd4482ce8

Because the order was not "natural" before, and different from IPv4, a
workaround was needed to keep the same order. I was happy to remove it,
but now it looks like I need to re-apply it :)

It would be nice to get the "natural" order back without breaking the
userspace (or with a way to choose the order).

Cheers,
Matt
-- 
Sponsored by the NGI0 Core fund.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-01  2:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-29 11:23 [PATCH net v2] Revert "ipv6: preserve insertion order for same-scope addresses" Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-29 11:41 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29 11:45   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-29 12:06   ` Chris Adams
2026-06-01  2:03   ` Matthieu Baerts [this message]
2026-05-29 20:20 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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