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From: Daniel Borkmann <dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: pablo-Cap9r6Oaw4JrovVCs/uTlw@public.gmane.org,
	netfilter-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf-next] netfilter: xtables: lightweight process control group matching
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 09:16:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <526231E0.6060903@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87li1qp3l8.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On 10/19/2013 01:21 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

> I am coming to this late.  But two concrete suggestions.
>
> 1) process groups and sessions don't change as frequently as pids.
>
> 2) It is possible to put a set of processes in their own network
>     namespace and pipe just the packets you want those processes to
>     use into that network namespace.  Using an ingress queueing filter
>     makes that process very efficient even if you have to filter by port.

Actually in our case we're filtering outgoing traffic, based on which
local socket that originated from; so you wouldn't need all of that
construct. Also, you wouldn't even need to have an a-prio knowledge of
the application internals regarding their use of particular use of ports
or protocols. I don't think that such a setup will have the same
efficiency, ease of use, and power to distinguish the application the
traffic came from in such a lightweight, protocol independent and easy way.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-19  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-04 18:20 [PATCH nf-next] netfilter: xtables: lightweight process control group matching Daniel Borkmann
2013-10-07  3:07 ` Gao feng
2013-10-07  9:17   ` Daniel Borkmann
     [not found]     ` <52527C3E.1060004-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-07  9:42       ` Gao feng
2013-10-07 16:46 ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-08  8:05   ` Daniel Borkmann
     [not found]     ` <5253BCAE.5060409-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-09 17:04       ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-09 19:12         ` Daniel Borkmann
     [not found]         ` <20131009170409.GH22495-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-10 21:55           ` Daniel Borkmann
     [not found] ` <1380910855-12325-1-git-send-email-dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-18 23:21   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87li1qp3l8.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-19  7:16       ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2013-10-21 15:09         ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found]           ` <526543A2.2040901-kQCPcA+X3s7YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 15:48             ` Daniel Borkmann
2013-10-22  7:15               ` Ni, Xun
2013-10-22  7:42                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2013-10-22  7:45                 ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found]               ` <52654CE6.7030706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22  7:36                 ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found] <cover.1382101225.git.dborkman@redhat.com>
2013-10-18 13:28 ` Daniel Borkmann
     [not found]   ` <ee0fb538d6e43e23d0488d3edd741de9c4589fb1.1382101225.git.dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-05 13:03     ` Daniel Borkmann

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