From: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
To: Qingfang Deng <dqfext@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
linux-ppp@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3] ppp: enable TX scatter-gather
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 10:05:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53ce393d-7071-40d8-b57e-df14405066ca@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALW65jYb0prfB-KpxdcNVHB1tBjN3tW286BsvQkCFoXwTu2QKw@mail.gmail.com>
On 1/27/26 3:31 PM, Qingfang Deng wrote:
> Hi Paolo,
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2026 at 8:34 PM Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com> wrote:
>> I spent a little time trying to understanding the logic here and I think
>> that enabling features depending on IFF_NO_QUEUE is fragile at best.
>>
>> It looks like that the IFF_NO_QUEUE bit is an inconsistent state for
>> multilink devices using different type of channels.
>> Moreover the user-space could attaching a qdisc to the ppp device after
>> channel initialization.
>>
>> Instead you could always expose the features and linearize as needed
>> when transmitting on !direct_xmit channel; no need to touch the
>> individual channel implementation, you could do such check before
>> calling the ops->start_xmit() calls (possibly creating a new
>> wrapper/helper for that).
>
> Attaching a new qdisc won't clear the IFF_NO_QUEUE bit. (The flag
> means the interface _can_ run without a qdisc).
Correct.
> As for multilink devices, one is not supposed to bundle channels with
> inconsistent direct_xmit (for example, mix ppp_synctty with pptp) and
> expect better results. But as the driver does not reject that, I may
> add a skb_linearize() to ppp_mp_explode(), or add a check for
> SC_MULTILINK flag in ppp_fix_features().
>
> What do you think?
AFAICS nothing prevent the user-space from creating multiple channels
with different type even without SC_MULTILINK, so ppp_fix_features()
should likely check the whole channel list.
Also packets could be being transmitted after channel creation and
before the features are updated, so ppp_start_xmit could observe
transient mismatching features and skb layout.
It's not a matter of bad performances: if skb is not linear and the
channel start_xmit assumes linear layout bad things will happen. I think
that even with a correct ppp_fix_features() you will need to check for
linearization in the datapath (as an unlikely condition).
/P
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-28 9:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-23 1:42 [PATCH net-next v3] ppp: enable TX scatter-gather Qingfang Deng
2026-01-27 12:34 ` Paolo Abeni
2026-01-27 14:31 ` Qingfang Deng
2026-01-28 9:05 ` Paolo Abeni [this message]
2026-01-28 9:19 ` Qingfang Deng
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