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From: Eliezer Tamir <eliezer.tamir@linux.intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/2] net: exit busy loop when another process is runnable
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 09:51:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54080BF5.1070504@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140903075104.GA6187@redhat.com>

On 03/09/2014 10:51, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:49:10AM +0300, Eliezer Tamir wrote:
>> On 02/09/2014 11:31, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 09:15:18AM +0300, Eliezer Tamir wrote:

>> Busy polling is not a general purpose feature, it's not something you
>> can casually turn on and will "just work". Most applications should not
>> be using busy polling. Currently it is used by multiserver applications
>> that you spend days tuning to specific platforms.
>>
>> What the user wants is to lower both avg and maximum latencies, at the
>> expense of everything else including power efficiency and sometimes
>> even throughput. The only exception is making the system crash ;)
>>
>> While letting other things take precedence over busy polling might not
>> hurt the avg latency much, it will kill your maximum latency.
> 
> If scheduler happens to run both server and client on the
> same CPU, polling will hurt maximum latency even more.
> So I guess different users want different things.
> 
> How about applications giving us a hint what they prefer?
> For example, a new flag that says "I don't have anything useful to do so
> let's do busy polling but my server is on the local system, so please
> only poll if CPU is otherwise idle".

I'm sorry for being ambiguous, when I said multi-server application, I
meant an app that runs on more than one server machine.

The loopback test is as far as I know not interesting.

Of course if busypoll becomes interesting for virtualization over
loopback, I have no problem with that, provided that there is a way to
get the old behavior and that it is well documented.

-Eliezer

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-04  6:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-21  8:05 [PATCH net-next 1/2] sched: introduce nr_running_this_cpu() Jason Wang
2014-08-21  8:05 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] net: exit busy loop when another process is runnable Jason Wang
2014-08-21  8:11   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-08-22  2:53     ` Jason Wang
2014-08-21 19:03   ` Amos Kong
2014-08-22  5:01   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-22  7:29     ` Jason Wang
2014-08-22  7:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-29  3:08         ` Jason Wang
2014-09-01  6:39           ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02  3:29             ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02  6:15               ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02  7:37                 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02  8:31                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-03  6:49                   ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-03  7:33                     ` Jason Wang
2014-09-03  9:36                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03  9:59                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-03  7:51                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-04  6:51                       ` Eliezer Tamir [this message]
2014-08-22  7:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-22  9:08       ` Jason Wang
2014-08-22 14:16         ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-25  2:54           ` Jason Wang
2014-08-25 13:16           ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-08-26  7:16             ` Jason Wang
2014-09-01  6:55               ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02  3:35                 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02  6:03                   ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02  6:31                     ` Jason Wang
2014-09-03  6:21                       ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-03  6:59                         ` Jason Wang
2016-04-14  0:55                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03  8:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-11 16:31       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-13  7:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-13 13:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-13 13:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-14  0:58             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01  9:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01  9:52       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-01 10:04         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01 10:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-02  4:03             ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02 10:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03  6:58                 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-03  9:30                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01 10:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-02  3:38           ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02  6:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-02  7:19               ` Jason Wang
2014-08-21 13:52 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] sched: introduce nr_running_this_cpu() Ingo Molnar
2014-08-22  7:27   ` Jason Wang

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