From: Eliezer Tamir <eliezer.tamir@linux.intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/2] net: exit busy loop when another process is runnable
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 09:51:33 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54080BF5.1070504@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140903075104.GA6187@redhat.com>
On 03/09/2014 10:51, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:49:10AM +0300, Eliezer Tamir wrote:
>> On 02/09/2014 11:31, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 09:15:18AM +0300, Eliezer Tamir wrote:
>> Busy polling is not a general purpose feature, it's not something you
>> can casually turn on and will "just work". Most applications should not
>> be using busy polling. Currently it is used by multiserver applications
>> that you spend days tuning to specific platforms.
>>
>> What the user wants is to lower both avg and maximum latencies, at the
>> expense of everything else including power efficiency and sometimes
>> even throughput. The only exception is making the system crash ;)
>>
>> While letting other things take precedence over busy polling might not
>> hurt the avg latency much, it will kill your maximum latency.
>
> If scheduler happens to run both server and client on the
> same CPU, polling will hurt maximum latency even more.
> So I guess different users want different things.
>
> How about applications giving us a hint what they prefer?
> For example, a new flag that says "I don't have anything useful to do so
> let's do busy polling but my server is on the local system, so please
> only poll if CPU is otherwise idle".
I'm sorry for being ambiguous, when I said multi-server application, I
meant an app that runs on more than one server machine.
The loopback test is as far as I know not interesting.
Of course if busypoll becomes interesting for virtualization over
loopback, I have no problem with that, provided that there is a way to
get the old behavior and that it is well documented.
-Eliezer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-04 6:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-21 8:05 [PATCH net-next 1/2] sched: introduce nr_running_this_cpu() Jason Wang
2014-08-21 8:05 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] net: exit busy loop when another process is runnable Jason Wang
2014-08-21 8:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-08-22 2:53 ` Jason Wang
2014-08-21 19:03 ` Amos Kong
2014-08-22 5:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-22 7:29 ` Jason Wang
2014-08-22 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-29 3:08 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-01 6:39 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02 3:29 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02 6:15 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02 7:37 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02 8:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-03 6:49 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-03 7:33 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-03 9:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03 9:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-03 7:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-04 6:51 ` Eliezer Tamir [this message]
2014-08-22 7:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-22 9:08 ` Jason Wang
2014-08-22 14:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2014-08-25 2:54 ` Jason Wang
2014-08-25 13:16 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-08-26 7:16 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-01 6:55 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02 3:35 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02 6:03 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-02 6:31 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-03 6:21 ` Eliezer Tamir
2014-09-03 6:59 ` Jason Wang
2016-04-14 0:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03 8:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-11 16:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-13 7:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-13 13:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-13 13:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-14 0:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01 9:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-01 10:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01 10:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-02 4:03 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02 10:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03 6:58 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-03 9:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-01 10:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-02 3:38 ` Jason Wang
2014-09-02 6:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-02 7:19 ` Jason Wang
2014-08-21 13:52 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] sched: introduce nr_running_this_cpu() Ingo Molnar
2014-08-22 7:27 ` Jason Wang
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