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From: Daniel Borkmann <dborkman@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: luto@amacapital.net, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	kaber@trash.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, tgraf@suug.ch
Subject: Re: Netlink mmap tx security?
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:45:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <543F6998.5090000@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141014.220908.123550384430402000.davem@davemloft.net>

On 10/15/2014 04:09 AM, David Miller wrote:
> From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:03:11 -0700
>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:01 PM, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
>>> I really think this means I'll have to remove all of the netlink
>>> mmap() support in order to prevent from breaking applications. :(
>>>
>>> The other option is to keep NETLINK_TX_RING, but copy the data into
>>> a kernel side buffer before acting upon it.
>>
>> Option 3, which sucks but maybe not that badly: change the value of
>> NETLINK_RX_RING.  (Practically: add NETLINK_RX_RING2 or something like
>> that.)
>
> That would work as well.
>
> There are pros and cons to all of these approaches.
>
> I was thinking that if we do the "TX mmap --> copy to kernel buffer"
> approach, then if in the future we find a way to make it work
> reliably, we can avoid the copy.  And frankly performance wise it's no
> worse than what happens via normal sendmsg() calls.
>
> And all applications using NETLINK_RX_RING keep working and keep
> getting the performance boost.

That would be better, yes. This would avoid having such a TPACKET_V*
API chaos we have in packet sockets if this could be fixed for netlink
eventually.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-16  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2014-05-12 21:08 ` Netlink mmap tx security? Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-11 22:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-11 23:09     ` David Miller
2014-10-14 19:19     ` David Miller
2014-10-14 19:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-14 20:00         ` David Miller
2014-10-14 22:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-15  2:01             ` David Miller
2014-10-15  2:03               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-15  2:09                 ` David Miller
2014-10-16  6:45                   ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2014-10-16  7:07                     ` Thomas Graf
2014-12-16 22:58                       ` David Miller
2014-12-16 23:58                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-12-17 16:27                           ` Thomas Graf
2014-12-18 17:36                             ` David Miller
2014-12-17  0:02                         ` Eric Dumazet
2014-12-17 16:26                           ` Thomas Graf
2014-12-18 10:30                           ` [PATCH net] netlink: Don't reorder loads/stores before marking mmap netlink frame as available Thomas Graf
2014-12-18 17:36                             ` David Miller
2014-12-18 19:13                             ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-15 23:45               ` Netlink mmap tx security? Daniel Borkmann
2014-10-15 23:57                 ` David Miller
2014-10-15 23:58                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16  3:34                     ` David Miller
2014-10-16  5:52                   ` Thomas Graf

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