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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: "Zhangjie (HZ)" <zhangjie14@huawei.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	liuyongan@huawei.com, qinchuanyu@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [QA-TCP] How to send tcp small packages immediately?
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:19:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <544A6E12.2000007@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <544A029D.3080508@huawei.com>

On 10/24/2014 12:41 AM, Zhangjie (HZ) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use netperf to test the performance of small tcp package, with TCP_NODELAY set :
>
> netperf -H 129.9.7.164 -l 100 -- -m 512 -D
>
> Among the packages I got by tcpdump, there is not only small packages, also lost of
> big ones (skb->len=65160).
>
> IP 129.9.7.186.60840 > 129.9.7.164.34607: tcp 65160
> IP 129.9.7.164.34607 > 129.9.7.186.60840: tcp 0
> IP 129.9.7.164.34607 > 129.9.7.186.60840: tcp 0
> IP 129.9.7.164.34607 > 129.9.7.186.60840: tcp 0
> IP 129.9.7.186.60840 > 129.9.7.164.34607: tcp 65160
> IP 129.9.7.164.34607 > 129.9.7.186.60840: tcp 0
> IP 129.9.7.164.34607 > 129.9.7.186.60840: tcp 0
> IP 129.9.7.164.34607 > 129.9.7.186.60840: tcp 0
> IP 129.9.7.186.60840 > 129.9.7.164.34607: tcp 80
> IP 129.9.7.186.60840 > 129.9.7.164.34607: tcp 512
> IP 129.9.7.186.60840 > 129.9.7.164.34607: tcp 512
>
> SO, how to test small tcp packages? Including TCP_NODELAY, What else should be set?

Well, I don't think there is anything else you can set.  Even with 
TCP_NODELAY set, segment size with TCP will still be controlled by 
factors such as congestion window.

I am ass-u-me-ing your packet trace is at the sender.  I suppose if your 
sender were fast enough compared to the path that might combine with 
congestion window to result in the very large segments.

Not to say there cannot be a bug somewhere with TSO overriding 
TCP_NODELAY, but in broad terms, even TCP_NODELAY does not guarantee 
small TCP segments.  That has been something of a bane on my attempts to 
use TCP for aggregate small-packet performance measurements via netperf 
for quite some time.

And since you seem to have included a virtualization mailing list I 
would also ass-u-me that virtualization is involved somehow.  Knuth only 
knows how that will affect the timing of events, which will be very much 
involved in matters of congestion window and such.  I suppose it is even 
possible that if the packet trace is on a VM receiver that some delays 
in getting the VM running could mean that GRO would end-up making large 
segments being pushed up the stack.

happy benchmarking,

rick jones

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-24 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-24  7:41 [QA-TCP] How to send tcp small packages immediately? Zhangjie (HZ)
2014-10-24 15:19 ` Rick Jones [this message]
2014-10-27  1:08   ` Zhangjie (HZ)

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