From: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] arch: Add lightweight memory barriers fast_rmb() and fast_wmb()
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:54:58 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <546A6EB2.6020304@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxZ9dhB074p3OAQLyQ53TuRjVOo33h6OOda1soh-9xxnQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 11/17/2014 12:52 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Alexander Duyck
> <alexander.h.duyck@redhat.com> wrote:
>> There are a number of situations where the mandatory barriers rmb() and
>> wmb() are used to order memory/memory operations in the device drivers
>> and those barriers are much heavier than they actually need to be.
> Ugh. I absolutely despise the name.
>
> It's not "fast". It's just limited. It's the same as "smp_*mb()", in
> that it works on cacheable memory, but it actually stays around even
> for non-SMP builds.
>
> So I think the name is actively misleading.
>
> Naming should be about what it does, not about some kind of PR thing
> that confuses people into thinking it's "better".
>
> Maybe "dma_*mb()" would be acceptable, and ends up having the same
> naming convention as "smb_*mb()", and explains what it's about.
What would you think of the name "coherent_*mb()"? I would prefer to
avoid dma in the name since, at least in my mind, that implies MMIO.
It also ties in well with dma_alloc_coherent/dma_free_coherent which is
what would typically be used to allocate the memory we would be using
the barrier to protect anyway.
> And yes, in the same spirit, it would probably be good to try to
> eventually get rid of the plain "*mb()" functions, and perhaps call
> them "mmio_*mb()" to clarify that they are about ordering memory wrt
> mmio.
>
> Hmm?
>
> Linus
I will work on pulling all of the coherent barrier cases out of using
the plain "*mb()" calls first. We need to sort that out before we could
look at renaming the plain barrier functions.
- Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-17 21:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-17 17:17 [PATCH 0/4] Add lightweight memory barriers fast_rmb() and fast_wmb() Alexander Duyck
2014-11-17 17:17 ` [PATCH 1/4] arch: Cleanup read_barrier_depends() and comments Alexander Duyck
2014-11-17 17:18 ` [PATCH 2/4] arch: Add lightweight memory barriers fast_rmb() and fast_wmb() Alexander Duyck
2014-11-17 20:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-11-17 20:24 ` Alexander Duyck
2014-11-18 0:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-11-18 3:13 ` Alexander Duyck
2014-11-18 11:58 ` Will Deacon
2014-11-18 16:20 ` Alexander Duyck
2014-11-18 16:48 ` Will Deacon
2014-11-18 21:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-11-17 20:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-11-17 21:11 ` Alexander Duyck
2014-11-17 23:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-11-18 3:33 ` Alexander Duyck
2014-11-18 0:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-11-17 20:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-17 21:54 ` Alexander Duyck [this message]
2014-11-18 0:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-11-18 0:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-11-17 17:18 ` [PATCH 3/4] r8169: Use fast_rmb() and fast_wmb() for DescOwn checks Alexander Duyck
2014-11-17 17:18 ` [PATCH 4/4] fm10k/igb/ixgbe: Use fast_rmb on Rx descriptor reads Alexander Duyck
2014-11-17 21:32 ` Jeff Kirsher
2014-11-18 9:57 ` [PATCH 0/4] Add lightweight memory barriers fast_rmb() and fast_wmb() David Laight
2014-11-18 15:44 ` Alexander Duyck
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