From: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/29] net: VRF support
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:10:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54D4227B.6080709@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150205173334.08248382@uryu.home.lan>
On 2/5/15 6:33 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> It is still not clear how adding another level of abstraction
> solves the scaling problem. Is it just because you can have one application
> connect to multiple VRF's? so you don't need N routing daemons?
>
>
How do you provide a service in N VRFs? "Service" can be a daemon with a
listen socket (e.g., bgpd, sshd) or a monitoring app (e.g., collectd,
snmpd). For the current namespace only paradigm the options are:
1. replicate the process for each namespace (e.g., N instances of sshd,
bgpd, collectd, snmpd, etc.)
2. a single process spawns a thread for each namespace
3. a single process opens a socket in each namespace
All of those options are rather heavyweight and the number of 'things'
is linear with the number of VRFs. When multiplied by the number of
services needed for a full-featured product the end result is a lot of
wasted resources.
The idea here is to simplify things by allowing a single process to have
a presence / provide a service in all VRFs within a namespace without
the need to spawn a thread, socket or another process.
For example, 1 instance of a monitoring app can still see all of the
netdevices in the namespace and in the VRF_ANY context can still report
network configuration data. VRF unaware/agnostic L3/L4 apps (e.g., sshd)
do not need to be modified and will be able to provide service through
any interface. VRF aware apps (e.g., bgpd) might require modifications
per the implementation of the VRF construct but they would able to
provide service with a single instance.
Nesting VRFs within namespaces provides 2 synergistic constructs for
building separation within a switch -- namespaces at the device layer
(e.g., multiple virtual switches from a single physical switch) with
VRFs at the L3 layer.
David
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2015-02-05 1:34 [RFC PATCH 00/29] net: VRF support David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 01/29] net: Introduce net_ctx and macro for context comparison David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 02/29] net: Flip net_device to use net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 13:47 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 0:45 ` David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 03/29] net: Flip sock_common to net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 04/29] net: Add net_ctx macros for skbuffs David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 05/29] net: Flip seq_net_private to net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 06/29] net: Flip fib_rules and fib_rules_ops to use net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 07/29] net: Flip inet_bind_bucket to net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 08/29] net: Flip fib_info " David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 09/29] net: Flip ip6_flowlabel " David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 10/29] net: Flip neigh structs " David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 11/29] net: Flip nl_info " David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 12/29] net: Add device lookups by net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 13/29] net: Convert function arg from struct net to struct net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 14/29] net: vrf: Introduce vrf header file David Ahern
2015-02-05 13:44 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 0:52 ` David Ahern
2015-02-06 8:53 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 15/29] net: vrf: Add vrf to net_ctx struct David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 16/29] net: vrf: Set default vrf David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 17/29] net: vrf: Add vrf context to task struct David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 18/29] net: vrf: Plumbing for vrf context on a socket David Ahern
2015-02-05 13:44 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 1:18 ` David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 19/29] net: vrf: Add vrf context to skb David Ahern
2015-02-05 13:45 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 1:21 ` David Ahern
2015-02-06 3:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-06 6:00 ` David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 20/29] net: vrf: Add vrf context to flow struct David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 21/29] net: vrf: Add vrf context to genid's David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 22/29] net: vrf: Set VRF id in various network structs David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 23/29] net: vrf: Enable vrf checks David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 24/29] net: vrf: Add support to get/set vrf context on a device David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 25/29] net: vrf: Handle VRF any context David Ahern
2015-02-05 13:46 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 1:23 ` David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 26/29] net: vrf: Change single_open_net to pass net_ctx David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 27/29] net: vrf: Add vrf checks and context to ipv4 proc files David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 28/29] iproute2: vrf: Add vrf subcommand David Ahern
2015-02-05 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 29/29] iproute2: Add vrf option to ip link command David Ahern
2015-02-05 5:17 ` [RFC PATCH 00/29] net: VRF support roopa
2015-02-05 13:44 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 1:32 ` David Ahern
2015-02-06 8:53 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-05 23:12 ` roopa
2015-02-06 2:19 ` David Ahern
2015-02-09 16:38 ` roopa
2015-02-10 10:43 ` Derek Fawcus
2015-02-06 6:10 ` Shmulik Ladkani
2015-02-09 15:54 ` roopa
2015-02-11 7:42 ` Shmulik Ladkani
2015-02-06 1:33 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-02-06 2:10 ` David Ahern [this message]
2015-02-06 4:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-06 6:15 ` David Ahern
2015-02-06 15:08 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <87iofe7n1x.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2015-02-09 20:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-11 4:14 ` David Ahern
2015-02-06 15:10 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-06 20:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-09 0:36 ` David Ahern
2015-02-09 11:30 ` Derek Fawcus
[not found] ` <871tlxtbhd.fsf_-_@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2015-02-11 2:55 ` network namespace bloat Eric Dumazet
2015-02-11 3:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-19 19:49 ` David Miller
2015-03-09 18:22 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp_metrics: Network namespace bloat reduction Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:27 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] tcp_metrics: panic when tcp_metrics can not be allocated Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:50 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2015-03-11 19:22 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2015-03-09 18:27 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] tcp_metrics: Mix the network namespace into the hash function Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:29 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] tcp_metrics: Add a field tcpm_net and verify it matches on lookup Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 20:25 ` Julian Anastasov
2015-03-10 6:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-10 8:23 ` Julian Anastasov
2015-03-11 0:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-10 16:36 ` David Miller
2015-03-10 17:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-10 17:29 ` David Miller
2015-03-10 17:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:30 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] tcp_metrics: Remove the unused return code from tcp_metrics_flush_all Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:30 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] tcp_metrics: Rewrite tcp_metrics_flush_all Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:31 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] tcp_metrics: Use a single hash table for all network namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 18:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-09 18:47 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-09 19:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 20:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-09 20:09 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp_metrics: Network namespace bloat reduction David Miller
2015-03-09 20:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:33 ` [PATCH net-next 0/8] tcp_metrics: Network namespace bloat reduction v2 Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:35 ` [PATCH net-next 1/8] net: Kill hold_net release_net Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:55 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-11 17:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 17:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-11 17:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-11 17:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-11 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 2/8] net: Introduce possible_net_t Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:38 ` [PATCH net-next 3/8] tcp_metrics: panic when tcp_metrics_init fails Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:38 ` [PATCH net-next 4/8] tcp_metrics: Mix the network namespace into the hash function Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:40 ` [PATCH net-next 5/8] tcp_metrics: Add a field tcpm_net and verify it matches on lookup Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:41 ` [PATCH net-next 6/8] tcp_metrics: Remove the unused return code from tcp_metrics_flush_all Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:43 ` [PATCH net-next 7/8] tcp_metrics: Rewrite tcp_metrics_flush_all Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-11 16:43 ` [PATCH net-next 8/8] tcp_metrics: Use a single hash table for all network namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:04 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp_metrics: Network namespace bloat reduction v3 Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:04 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] tcp_metrics: panic when tcp_metrics_init fails Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:05 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] tcp_metrics: Mix the network namespace into the hash function Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:05 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] tcp_metrics: Add a field tcpm_net and verify it matches on lookup Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:06 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] tcp_metrics: Remove the unused return code from tcp_metrics_flush_all Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:07 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] tcp_metrics: Rewrite tcp_metrics_flush_all Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:07 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] tcp_metrics: Use a single hash table for all network namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-13 5:57 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp_metrics: Network namespace bloat reduction v3 David Miller
2015-02-11 17:09 ` network namespace bloat Nicolas Dichtel
2015-02-10 0:53 ` [RFC PATCH 00/29] net: VRF support Thomas Graf
2015-02-10 20:54 ` David Ahern
2016-05-25 16:04 ` Chenna
2016-05-25 19:04 ` David Ahern
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