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From: Ying Xue <ying.xue@windriver.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Cong Wang <cwang@twopensource.com>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>, <maxk@qti.qualcomm.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>,
	Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	James Chapman <jchapman@katalix.com>,
	Erik Hugne <erik.hugne@ericsson.com>, <jon.maloy@ericsson.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 00/11] netns: don't switch namespace while creating kernel sockets
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 17:10:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <554C7D91.3050906@windriver.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lhh0b1j1.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On 05/08/2015 04:01 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Cong Wang <cwang@twopensource.com> writes:
> 
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Eric W. Biederman
>> <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>> Cong Wang <cwang@twopensource.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Eric W. Biederman
>>>> <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>>> Cong Wang <cwang@twopensource.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does this have to be so complicated? We can simply avoid
>>>>>> calling ops_init() by skipping those in cleanup_list, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that there is a single list of methods to call and if you
>>>>> simply skip calling the initialization methods for a struct net and add
>>>>> yourself to the list cleanup_net will then call the cleanup methods
>>>>> without calling the cleanup methods.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean pernet_list, ops->list has been already added before
>>>> for_each_net().
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply limiting new network namespace registrations to a point when
>>>>> network namespaces are not being registered or unregisted seems like
>>>>> the simplest way to achieve this effect.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Literally, any point before ops_init().
>>>
>>> Think about what that what it means to add a set of operations to the
>>> pernet_list and then to skip a network namespace with a count of 0 and
>>> then to have that network namespace exit with those methods on
>>> pernet_list.
>>>
>>
>> That is easy to solve, isn't it?
> 
> Nope.  That doesn't work.
> 

Cong, although I don't know why Eric confirmed your solution did not work, in my
view it really exists a bit fault especially in locking policy. For instance,
net->cleanup_list may be linked to cleanup_list list and probably it's inserted
in net_kill_list too, and the both global lists are protected by two different
locks respectively. But when we check list_empty(&net->cleanup_list), any lock
is not held.

However, except for the point, overall, I think your idea is workable.

So, Eric, can you please further explain why Cong's proposal doesn't work?

Thanks,
Ying

> Eric
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-08  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-07  8:52 [RFC PATCH net-next 00/11] netns: don't switch namespace while creating kernel sockets Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 01/11] netns: Fix race between put_net() and netlink_kernel_create() Ying Xue
2015-05-07  9:04   ` Herbert Xu
2015-05-07 17:19     ` Cong Wang
2015-05-07 17:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08 11:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08 11:20       ` Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 02/11] netlink: avoid unnecessary namespace switch when create netlink kernel sockets Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 03/11] tun: avoid unnecessary namespace switch during kernel socket creation Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 04/11] inet: " Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 05/11] udp_tunnel: avoid to switch namespace for tunnel socket Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 06/11] ip6_udp_tunnel: " Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 07/11] l2tp: avoid to switch namespace for l2tp " Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 08/11] ipvs: avoid to switch namespace for ipvs kernel socket Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 09/11] tipc: fix net leak issue Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 10/11] tipc: remove sk_change_net interface Ying Xue
2015-05-07  8:52 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 11/11] net: change behaviours of functions of creating and releasing kernel sockets Ying Xue
2015-05-07 16:14 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 00/11] netns: don't switch namespace while creating " Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-07 18:19   ` Cong Wang
2015-05-07 18:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-07 18:53       ` Cong Wang
2015-05-07 18:58         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-07 19:29           ` Cong Wang
2015-05-07 20:01             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08  9:10               ` Ying Xue [this message]
2015-05-08 11:15                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08  8:50   ` Ying Xue
2015-05-08  9:25     ` Ying Xue
2015-05-08 11:07     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08 16:33       ` Cong Wang
2015-05-08 14:07   ` Herbert Xu
2015-05-08 17:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08 20:27       ` Cong Wang
2015-05-08 21:13         ` Cong Wang
2015-05-08 22:08           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  1:13       ` Herbert Xu
2015-05-09  1:53         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:05         ` [PATCH 0/6] Cleanup the " Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:07           ` [PATCH 1/6] tun: Utilize the normal socket network namespace refcounting Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:08           ` [PATCH 2/6] net: Add a struct net parameter to sock_create_kern Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-12  8:24             ` David Laight
2015-05-12  8:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-12 11:48                 ` David Laight
2015-05-12 12:28                   ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-05-12 13:16                     ` David Laight
2015-05-12 14:15                       ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-05-12 15:58                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-12 14:45               ` David Miller
2015-05-09  2:09           ` [PATCH 3/6] net: Pass kern from net_proto_family.create to sk_alloc Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09 16:51             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-05-09 17:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:10           ` [PATCH 4/6] net: Modify sk_alloc to not reference count the netns of kernel sockets Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:11           ` [PATCH 5/6] netlink: Create kernel netlink sockets in the proper network namespace Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:12           ` [PATCH 6/6] net: kill sk_change_net and sk_release_kernel Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-09  2:38           ` [PATCH 0/6] Cleanup the kernel sockets Herbert Xu
2015-05-11 14:53           ` David Miller

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