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From: "Singhai, Anjali" <anjali.singhai@intel.com>
To: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Cc: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>, Jesse Gross <jesse@kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kiran Patil <kiran.patil@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/6] net: Generalize udp based tunnel offload
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:40:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <565E3DF6.4050609@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151201160841.GG29497@tuxdriver.com>



On 12/1/2015 8:08 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:44, John W. Linville wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:26:51PM -0800, Tom Herbert wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Jesse Gross <jesse@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>> Based on what we can do today, I see only two real choices: do some
>>>>> refactoring to clean up the stack a bit or remove the existing VXLAN
>>>>> offloading altogether. I think this series is trying to do the former
>>>>> and the result is that the stack is cleaner after than before. That
>>>>> seems like a good thing.
>>>> There is a third choice which is to do nothing. Creating an
>>>> infrastructure that claims to "Generalize udp based tunnel offload"
>>>> but actually doesn't generalize the mechanism is nothing more than
>>>> window dressing-- this does nothing to help with the VXLAN to
>>>> VXLAN-GPE transition for instance. If geneve specific offload is
>>>> really needed now then that can be should with another ndo function,
>>>> or alternatively ntuple filter with a device specific action would at
>>>> least get the stack out of needing to be concerned with that.
>>>> Regardless, we will work optimize the rest of the stack for devices
>>>> that implement protocol agnostic mechanisms.
>>> Is there no concern about NDO proliferation? Does the size of the
>>> netdev_ops structure matter? Beyond that, I can see how a single
>>> entry point with an enum specifying the offload type isn't really any
>>> different in the grand scheme of things than having multiple NDOs,
>>> one per offload.
>>>
>>> Given the need to live with existing hardware offloads, I would lean
>>> toward a consolidated NDO. But if a different NDO per tunnel type is
>>> preferred, I can be satisified with that.
>> Having per-offloading NDOs helps the stack to gather further information
>> what kind of offloads the driver has even maybe without trying to call
>> down into the layer (just by comparing to NULL). Checking this inside
>> the driver offload function clearly does not have this feature. So we
>> finally can have "ip tunnel please-recommend-type" feature. :)
> That is a valuable insight! Maybe the per-offload NDO isn't such a
> bad idea afterall... :-)
>
> John
This helps me understand why having a separate ndo op might still be ok. 
Thanks for the feedback. I will go back to that model.  Also  I think I 
did finally understand the discussion on using a single 2's compliment 
checksum method
for future silicon.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-02  0:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-23 21:02 [PATCH 0/6] Generalize udp based tunnels and add geneve offload Anjali Singhai Jain
2015-11-23 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 1/6] net: Generalize udp based tunnel offload Anjali Singhai Jain
2015-11-23 20:57   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-23 20:58   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-23 21:53   ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-23 22:49     ` Jesse Gross
2015-11-24  0:32       ` Singhai, Anjali
2015-11-24  0:38         ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24  1:11           ` Jesse Brandeburg
2015-11-24 17:32             ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24 17:43               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 17:52                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24 18:16                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 18:37                 ` David Miller
2015-11-24 18:42                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 18:43                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-30  3:22               ` David Miller
2015-11-30 21:42                 ` Singhai, Anjali
2015-11-30 21:48                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-01  3:51                     ` David Miller
2015-12-01  3:48                   ` David Miller
2015-12-01  6:33                     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-11-30  3:21     ` David Miller
2015-11-30 21:33       ` Singhai, Anjali
2015-12-01  0:25       ` Jesse Gross
2015-12-01  1:02         ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-01  1:28           ` Jesse Gross
2015-12-01  5:26             ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-01 15:44               ` John W. Linville
2015-12-01 15:49                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-01 16:08                   ` John W. Linville
2015-12-02  0:40                     ` Singhai, Anjali [this message]
2015-12-02  3:50                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-02 16:35                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-02 19:15                       ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-02 23:35                         ` John Fastabend
2015-12-03  0:15                           ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-08  7:33                             ` John Fastabend
2015-12-08 14:23                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2015-12-08 15:10                                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2015-12-09  1:40                                   ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-09  5:45                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-12-09 12:58                                       ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-09 17:38                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-12-09 20:03                                           ` David Miller
2015-12-09 22:03                                           ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-09 22:21                                             ` David Miller
2015-12-09 22:25                                               ` Thomas Graf
2015-12-03  2:08                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-12-03 15:59                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-03 16:35                           ` Andreas Schultz
2015-12-03 16:43                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-04 18:28                           ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-04 19:54                             ` John Fastabend
2015-12-04 19:59                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-04 20:02                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-04 20:06                               ` David Miller
2015-12-04 20:13                                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-04 21:37                                   ` David Miller
2015-12-04 20:26                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-04 20:43                                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-04 21:11                                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-12-04 20:44                                   ` Jesse Gross
2015-12-04 22:44                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-05  0:53                                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-05  5:45                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-05  6:49                                       ` David Miller
2015-12-05  8:24                                         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-05 17:53                                           ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-05 19:34                                             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-05 18:03                                           ` David Miller
2015-12-05 19:34                                             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-05 22:27                                               ` David Miller
2015-12-06  2:13                                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-06 16:31                                                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-06 18:44                                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-06 21:30                                                       ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-07  1:20                                                         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-07  3:02                                                           ` David Ahern
2015-12-07 16:20                                                             ` Jesse Gross
2015-12-05  4:50                                   ` David Miller
2015-12-05  6:50                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-11-24  5:41   ` Alexander Duyck
2015-11-30 16:35   ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-30 21:53     ` Singhai, Anjali
2015-12-01  3:52       ` David Miller
2015-11-23 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 2/6] net: Add a generic udp_offload_get_port function Anjali Singhai Jain
2015-11-24  6:08   ` Alexander Duyck
2015-11-24  6:37   ` Alexander Duyck
2015-11-24 19:35     ` Singhai, Anjali
2015-11-23 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 3/6] i40e: Generalize the flow for udp based tunnels Anjali Singhai Jain
2015-11-23 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 4/6] i40e: Remove CONFIG_I40E_VXLAN Anjali Singhai Jain
2015-11-23 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 5/6] net: Refactor udp_offload and add Geneve port offload support Anjali Singhai Jain
2015-11-23 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 6/6] i40e:Add geneve tunnel " Anjali Singhai Jain

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