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From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 00/24] Support MDIO devices
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:21:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <568B28BB.60804@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1451929022-5580-1-git-send-email-andrew@lunn.ch>

Hi Andrew,

On 04/01/16 09:36, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> The discussions about changing the way DSA probes switches resulted in
> the wish to have switches attached to an MDIO bus to be represented as
> an MDIO device. However the current code only supports PHYs on MDIO
> busses. This patchset remedies this problem. It consists of a number
> of cleanups, abstraction for accessing structure members, and
> refactoring, as well as adding the concept of a generic MDIO device
> and MDIO driver. The last two patches then make use of this facility
> with a simple test driver, which will be discarded once we are past
> RFC stage.
> 

Happy new year! Thanks a lot for getting this out both quickly and in an
excellent shape and quality.

Here are few questions that come to mind with the new MDIO device model:

- what kind of API do we need to offer to Ethernet MAC driver? Would
attach/detach and maybe adjust_link be good enough?

- should we consider modeling a MDIO connected switch as a MDIO device
(responding at the pseudo PHY address on the MDIO bus) which then
eventually creates a child MDIO bus and per-port individual PHY devices?

- for MDIO switches with a data-path to an Ethernet MAC (which is
probably 99% of the cases, are there some which do not have such a thing
and are still managed switches?), how much of the existing PHY device
properties (speed, duplex, interface, pause capability) should we think
about moving to the common MDIO device structure? Then this kind of
circles back to the first question about the Ethernet MAC interface API [1]

[1]: One could imagine that the MDIO device with a data-path to an
Ethernet MAC would need at least (RGS)MII knowledge, speed, duplex, and
pause capability, all of that could come from a fixed-link (or similar)
property in DT/platform_data, or as a last resort, the MDIO device
driver, after successful probing could define these parameters.

The Ethernet MAC attaching to that MDIO device would need to be fed with
that information somehow such that we do not have to put too much
knowledge into the MAC driver and still preserve a good layering. Using
something similar to phy_{attach,connect}() (without starting a state
machine here) and phy_{detach,disconnect}() as well as an adjust_link
callback could help minimize the churn on the Ethernet driver side.
Would that seem sensible?

Thanks!
-- 
Florian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-01-05  2:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-04 17:36 [RFC PATCH net-next 00/24] Support MDIO devices Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 01/24] phy: Consistently use addr for address on an MII bus Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:01   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 02/24] mdio: Move mdiobus_read/write operatings into mdio.h Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:02   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 03/24] phy: Use phy_read() instead of mdiobus_read() Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:07   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-05 13:40     ` Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 04/24] phy: Add phydev_err() and phydev_dbg() macros Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:08   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 05/24] phy: add phydev_name() macro Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 17:48   ` Joe Perches
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 06/24] net: dnet: Use phy_find_first() helper Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:08   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 07/24] phy: phy_{read|write}_mmd_indirect: get addr from phydev Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:10   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 08/24] phy: Centralise print about attached phy Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:15   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 21:16     ` Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 09/24] phy: mdio-octeon: Use devm_mdiobus_alloc_size() Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:18   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 10/24] mdio: Move allocation of interrupts into core Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:17   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-06 14:07   ` Shaohui Xie
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 11/24] phy: Add an mdio_device structure Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  1:53   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 12/24] of: phy: Only register a phy device for phys Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 20:01   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 21:04     ` Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 13/24] phy: Add API for {un{registering an mdio device to a bus Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  1:55   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 14/24] phy_device: Move phy attributes into phy_device Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  1:57   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 15/24] dsa: Register netdev before phy Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  1:59   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 16/24] phy: Move PHY PM operations into phy_device Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:00   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 17/24] phy: Centralize setting driver module owner Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:00   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 18/24] phy: Move phy specific bus match into phy_device Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:01   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 19/24] mdio_bus: Generalise of_mdiobus_link_phydev() Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:01   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 20/24] mdio_bus: Add comment to mdiobus_scan() and __mdiobus_register() Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:02   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:36 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 21/24] mdio: Add support for mdio drivers Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:03   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 22/24] mdio: Abstract device_remove() and device_free() Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:04   ` Florian Fainelli
2016-01-04 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 23/24] mdio: mdio-nop: Dummy driver to testing Andrew Lunn
2016-01-04 17:37 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 24/24] Add linux,mdio-nop support for testing Andrew Lunn
2016-01-05  2:21 ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2016-01-05  2:57   ` [RFC PATCH net-next 00/24] Support MDIO devices Andrew Lunn

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