From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "John Ronciak" Subject: Re: I/OAT: Call for discussion Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: <56a8daef0604191028v7b3f501dm167a68709e8dea5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5389061B65D50446B1783B97DFDB392D8E9F0A@orsmsx411.amr.corp.intel.com> <20060419101217.0f5d84cf@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: "Grover, Andrew" , netdev@vger.kernel.org Return-path: Received: from nproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.182.187]:4881 "EHLO nproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750709AbWDSR2o convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:28:44 -0400 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k26so391337nfc for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "Stephen Hemminger" In-Reply-To: <20060419101217.0f5d84cf@localhost.localdomain> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: netdev.vger.kernel.org On 4/19/06, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > Off list lobbying usually has a negative impact. The lobbying was for vendor inclusion and not necessarily for upstream acceptance. > The biggest barrier at this point seems to be hardware availability. > People generally don't care unless they use or are going to get that hardware. > Also the big benchmark data, although interesting, is usually only > interesting to vendors. The hardware is going to generally available in June. There are also lots of OEMs, OSVs and hardware vendors that have the system to test on today. The early rollout of hardware has been very large. > > You probably will have to suffer out of tree for a while until the hardware > becomes more available. When the hardware is more common, then the implementation > details will be sorted out. Also after the 2+ years of getting TSO to work > right, maybe the developers are a little gun shy at this point. Some OSVs (at least one very large one) is supporting it. John