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From: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.com>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, kuba@kernel.org,
	pabeni@redhat.com, horms@kernel.org, dsahern@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10 net-next] Convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in and remove stubs
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2026 12:17:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56ad8ce8-a085-4f67-b4ae-25e5f28c3e51@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97d85c42-5ef3-4912-abb9-8d4fe6fa54df@suse.com>

On 16/03/2026 12:10, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 3/16/26 11:33, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 16/03/2026 11:24, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
>>>
>>> If I'm wrong and somehow Amiga isn't legacy in 2026, then SAY SO instead of
>>> giving an unnecessarily mean, dismissive and frankly embarassing response
>>> like the above.
>>
>> Calling something legacy in this thread is not really appropriate
>> because it is diminishing its important or requirements.
>>
>> Till we support given hardware, we are supposed to consider its
>> requirements. If you do not consider these requirements, then you do not
>> consider that hardware as worth being supported and this means you
>> should first propose patch to remove that hardware.
> 
> I don't think it's so binary. AFAIU (and recall also Linus saying that) it's
> ok to make things less optimal for older/less common hardware, if that's the
> cost to make the kernel better for the major ones. So that's why we're e.g.
> discussing removing CONFIG_HIMEM which could limit how much physical RAM
> some 32bit  architectures can use. Or we can have new features e.g. 64-bit only.
> 
> We can call that older/less common hardware "legacy" or "museum" or
> whatever, I wouldn't say it's diminishing it, just stating a fact.

Yes. Amiga was the first thing I poked to discuss affecting less capable
hardware. But we could also talk about ARM 32-bit, which is not yet
considered "legacy" because new hardware is being manufactured and sold.
Legacy in a meaning we do consider its requirements/support.

> 
> Of course the devil is in the details so that probably to some extent
> depends on what exactly you mean as "requirements" above. AFAIU the
> conclusion here was already that ipv6=m isn't consired one for Amiga to
> stay, and it's enough to have ipv6=n there.
> 

Yes, and other replies (parallel threads) also provide context and
arguments why most, not all though, distros don't even use IPV6=m, while
they are making everything else modules by default.

Best regards,
Krzysztof

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-16 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-09  2:19 [PATCH 00/10 net-next] Convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in and remove stubs Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 01/10 net-next] ipv6: convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in only and clean up Kconfigs Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 10:24   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-10 19:40     ` Kolbjørn Barmen
2026-03-10 19:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-10 20:35         ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-03-10 21:18         ` Bjørn Mork
2026-03-10 22:18           ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-11  8:21         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 02/10 net-next] ipv6: replace IS_BUILTIN(CONFIG_IPV6) with IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_IPV6) Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 03/10 net-next] ipv6: remove dynamic ICMPv6 sender registration infrastructure Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 04/10 net-next] ipv6: prepare headers for ipv6_stub removal Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 05/10 net-next] drivers: net: drop ipv6_stub usage and use direct function calls Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 06/10 net-next] ipv4: " Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 07/10 net-next] net: convert remaining ipv6_stub users to " Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 08/10 net-next] bpf: remove ipv6_bpf_stub completely and use " Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 09/10 net-next] ipv6: remove ipv6_stub infrastructure completely Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 10/10 net-next] netfilter: remove nf_ipv6_ops and use direct function calls Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 10:22 ` [PATCH 00/10 net-next] Convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in and remove stubs Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 10:26   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 23:18     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-10 20:02       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-10 21:42         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-10 22:15           ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 11:33   ` David Woodhouse
2026-03-09 11:38   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 12:43     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 12:58       ` Daniel Borkmann
2026-03-09 13:02         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 13:14           ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-16 10:24           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-16 10:33             ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-16 10:50               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-16 10:58                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-16 11:10               ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-16 11:17                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski [this message]
2026-03-09 13:07       ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 14:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-09 15:10   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera

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