From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 180673FC2; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 03:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1712203062; cv=none; b=YbQ/V74nP0fHIdV50Nkj+gmU9G5hHFoakoIMatyGyzZaeP03UX6ttXTfnUuxrevvLTkARTMcYaWeHQfl3Xnl/PD2MIci/ETxpcBUy9IfAYCHcYaCaUbz25aE+YgWC0OxEXHRgdyZmnQngVsuj67uXVJyJgJQ1nN4LyMOSIFjG68= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1712203062; c=relaxed/simple; bh=QcQykjmrkgn42T+2ukwvujAgs4TaBfSCN2Y9G52ZM8I=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=VpBfh6EneZmmxUkK6MGZdCdvGwjcA1MpdfPruknprP+mXAeSsO0jQQa4g8UlqlxGpuyg3Q/Q5YOnHHvqIjM62SN+i9JTRbcDz8X0JADuMqakqvpgS6cHyy2jiH5PFU53OwveOuhGZ3A81L3/vCO5LWIxdUcm+PXveSylkblb3ls= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=XTMoMozg; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="XTMoMozg" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 730A1C433F1; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 03:57:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1712203061; bh=QcQykjmrkgn42T+2ukwvujAgs4TaBfSCN2Y9G52ZM8I=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=XTMoMozgq1tMZQUsA0fXJ0+E8z19RsfjQU9ydUY6JfMbApzXHzfC4bFUHSTMitG1c DCbyAIz6VSa+rFoFzTlWqvoaAw1Mqp3FVzMZxTnC7LRHtgI0Hy4qN6yBLaf5yHKs7E FSKPc72q4LxpzY2gNr29oNBW5jR+kMne9rPI335nuw9ooVuypmxtQ9A3jsZLOvzOGc LoQF+jVFM12E8pbsLhsTbICmIhvKY/TBFxoGymz8JzLWWKDKYqqMxbzxVpt/0hEUOI IHT9Jc2ggE1v6vaNjkFwPeqtsWRh2ItIm8q930Hfo4DC7JBQ7/bvbN42Ij0b6pIG8g HF8TiD7SnZT4w== Message-ID: <573697bb-a3e3-4016-82e7-dec3c2804c90@kernel.org> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 21:57:39 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver Content-Language: en-US To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Leon Romanovsky , Edward Cree , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Jason Gunthorpe , Christoph Hellwig , Saeed Mahameed , Arnd Bergmann , Jiri Pirko , Leonid Bloch , Itay Avraham , Saeed Mahameed , Aron Silverton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "netdev@vger.kernel.org" , Andy Gospodarek References: <2024032248-ardently-ribcage-a495@gregkh> <510c1b6b-1738-4baa-bdba-54d478633598@kernel.org> <20240322135826.1c4655e2@kernel.org> <20240322154027.5555780a@kernel.org> <1cd2a70c-17b8-4421-b70b-3c0199a84a6a@kernel.org> <0ea32dd4-f408-5870-77eb-f18899f1ad44@gmail.com> <20240402184832.GO11187@unreal> <20240403190012.GV11187@unreal> <20240403170149.7d2b8f2b@kernel.org> From: David Ahern In-Reply-To: <20240403170149.7d2b8f2b@kernel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/3/24 6:01 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 13:31:46 -0600 David Ahern wrote: >>> ... Patches aren't languishing for want of reviewer resources; it's just that it >>> takes *submitter* time and effort to bring them up to the quality level >>> that's required, and occasionally the vendor has to (shock! horror!) >>> tell the world what one of their magic knobs actually *does*. ... >>> >>> ^^^^ Content >>> This paragraph alone shows that you completely didn't understand the >>> discussion here. >> >> +1 > > "didn't understand the discussion" is an ironic thing for you to +1, Come on, Jakub. The +1 was regarding Leon's entire response to Ed, not just the last part you so conveniently quoted here. I agree 100% wiht Leon that Ed's "Language, tone, and content of your email were inappropriate". That is why I left the entire quote in the response and not just the paragraph above. > David. After all my emails about HNS3 RDMA you somehow concluded today > that I want to make rules for the entire kernel: > https://lore.kernel.org/all/6faa47b0-27c3-47f9-94be-1ec671d9543c@kernel.org/ > And as for that response (the URL you listed there), what else should one conclude? That has to be a fair summation of your stance because this entire thread is on a driver completely unrelated to netdev that you jumped in on with a NACK. I have asked multiple times in this thread and the one before where you believe your boundary ends as a maintainer. > And I second what Ed said. I have asked multiple vendors preaching > impossibilism in this thread to start posting those knobs. I offered > to do a quick off-list review of the list of knobs they have to give > a quick yay / nay, so they don't waste time implementing things that > would get nacked. None of the vendors bothered taking me up on that > offer. Again, entirely missing the point. This is not about configure knobs that have a potential to be consistent across devices. Sadly, this thread is not a spiral, ever so slowly converging on an agreement, but a merry-ground just going in circles.