From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Richard Weinberger Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/8] tou: Transports over UDP - part I Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:50:50 +0200 Message-ID: <576B94DA.7070804@nod.at> References: <1466099522-690741-1-git-send-email-tom@herbertland.com> <20160623.034004.1518087003165708123.davem@davemloft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tom@herbertland.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com To: David Miller Return-path: Received: from b.ns.miles-group.at ([95.130.255.144]:44723 "EHLO radon.swed.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750950AbcFWHu5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 23 Jun 2016 03:50:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20160623.034004.1518087003165708123.davem@davemloft.net> Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Am 23.06.2016 um 09:40 schrieb David Miller: > From: Richard Weinberger > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 00:15:04 +0200 > >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Tom Herbert wrote: >>> Transports over UDP is intended to encapsulate TCP and other transport >>> protocols directly and securely in UDP. >>> >>> The goal of this work is twofold: >>> >>> 1) Allow applications to run their own transport layer stack (i.e.from >>> userspace). This eliminates dependencies on the OS (e.g. solves a >>> major dependency issue for Facebook on clients). >> >> Facebook on clients would be a Facebook app on mobile devices? >> Does that mean that the Facebook app is so advanced and complicated >> that it needs a special TCP stack?! > > No, the TCP stack in the android/iOS/Windows kernel is so out of date > that in order to get even moderately recent TCP features it is > necessary to do this. I see. So the plan is bringing TOU into almost every kernel out there and then ship Apps with their own TCP stacks since vendors are unable to deliver decent updates. I didn't realize that the situation is *that* worse. :( Thanks, //richard