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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Maxim Mikityanskiy' <maximmi@nvidia.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Boris Pismenny <borisp@nvidia.com>,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	"Saeed Mahameed" <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Gal Pressman <gal@nvidia.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH net-next] tls: Add opt-in zerocopy mode of sendfile()
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 13:48:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5dba0c54c647491a85366834c8c1c7d1@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41abbf9f-8719-f2a7-36b5-fd6835bb133d@nvidia.com>

From: Maxim Mikityanskiy
> Sent: 05 May 2022 13:40
> 
> On 2022-05-04 12:49, David Laight wrote:
> >>> If you declare the union on the stack in the callers, and pass by value
> >>> - is the compiler not going to be clever enough to still DDRT?
> >>
> >> Ah, OK, it should do the thing. I thought you wanted me to ditch the
> >> union altogether.
> >
> > Some architectures always pass struct/union by address.
> > Which is probably not what you had in mind.
> 
> Do you have any specific architecture in mind? I couldn't find any
> information that it happens anywhere, x86_64 ABI [1] (pages 20-21)
> aligns with my expectations, and my common sense can't explain why would
> some architectures do what you say.
> 
> In C, when the caller passes a struct as a parameter, the callee can
> freely modify it. If the compiler silently replaced it with a pointer,
> the callee would corrupt the caller's local variable, so such approach
> requires the caller to make an extra copy.

Yes, that is what happens.

> Making an extra copy on the
> stack and passing a pointer doesn't make any sense to me if you can just
> make a copy on the stack (or to a register) and call it a parameter.
> 
> If you know any specific architecture supported by Linux that passes all
> unions by a pointer, could you please point me to it? Maybe I'm missing
> something in my logic, and a real-world example will explain things, but
> at the moment it sounds unrealistic to me.

Look at any old architecture, m68k almost certainly passes all structures
by address.
i386 would - but I think the 'regparm' option includes passing small
structures by value.
I think sparc32 used to, but that might have changed in the last 30 years.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-05 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-27 17:50 [PATCH net-next] tls: Add opt-in zerocopy mode of sendfile() Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-04-28 22:11 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-29 14:21   ` Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-04-29 19:11     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-05-03 18:56       ` Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-05-03 19:24         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-05-04  9:49         ` David Laight
2022-05-05 12:40           ` Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-05-05 13:48             ` David Laight [this message]
2022-05-05 18:27               ` Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-05-06  8:09                 ` David Laight
2022-05-06 16:34                   ` Maxim Mikityanskiy

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