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From: "Arinzon, David" <darinzon@amazon.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
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	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v1 net-next 2/2] net: ena: Extend customer metrics reporting support
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:32:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6236150118de4e499304ba9d0a426663@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240814121145.37202722@kernel.org>

> > I've looked into the definition of the metrics under question
> >
> > Based on AWS documentation
> > (https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/monitoring-
> networ
> > k-performance-ena.html)
> >
> > bw_in_allowance_exceeded: The number of packets queued or dropped
> because the inbound aggregate bandwidth exceeded the maximum for the
> instance.
> > bw_out_allowance_exceeded: The number of packets queued or dropped
> because the outbound aggregate bandwidth exceeded the maximum for the
> instance.
> >
> > Based on the netlink spec
> > (https://docs.kernel.org/next/networking/netlink_spec/netdev.html)
> >
> > rx-hw-drop-ratelimits (uint)
> > doc: Number of the packets dropped by the device due to the received
> packets bitrate exceeding the device rate limit.
> > tx-hw-drop-ratelimits (uint)
> > doc: Number of the packets dropped by the device due to the transmit
> packets bitrate exceeding the device rate limit.
> >
> > The AWS metrics are counting for packets dropped or queued (delayed,
> but are sent/received with a delay), a change in these metrics is an indication
> to customers to check their applications and workloads due to risk of
> exceeding limits.
> > There's no distinction between dropped and queued in these metrics,
> therefore, they do not match the ratelimits in the netlink spec.
> > In case there will be a separation of these metrics in the future to dropped
> and queued, we'll be able to add the support for hw-drop-ratelimits.
> 
> Xuan, Michael, the virtio spec calls out drops due to b/w limit being
> exceeded, but AWS people say their NICs also count packets buffered but
> not dropped towards a similar metric.
> 
> I presume the virtio spec is supposed to cover the same use cases.
> Have the stats been approved? Is it reasonable to extend the definition of
> the "exceeded" stats in the virtio spec to cover what AWS specifies?
> Looks like PR is still open:
> https://github.com/oasis-tcs/virtio-spec/issues/180

How do we move forward with this patchset?
Regarding the counter itself, even though we don't support this at the moment, I would recommend to keep the queued and dropped
as split (for example, add tx/rx-hw-queued-ratelimits, or something similar, if that makes sense). 

Thanks
David

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-16 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-11 10:07 [PATCH v1 net-next 0/2] ENA driver metrics changes David Arinzon
2024-08-11 10:07 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 1/2] net: ena: Add ENA Express metrics support David Arinzon
2024-08-13  1:54   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-13 11:21     ` Arinzon, David
2024-08-11 10:07 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 2/2] net: ena: Extend customer metrics reporting support David Arinzon
2024-08-13  1:58   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-13 11:29     ` Arinzon, David
2024-08-13 15:10       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-14 15:31         ` Arinzon, David
2024-08-14 19:11           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-16 17:32             ` Arinzon, David [this message]
2024-08-17  2:01               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-17  4:42                 ` Arinzon, David
2024-08-21 18:03                   ` Arinzon, David
2024-08-21 22:18                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-27 16:41                       ` Gal Pressman
2024-08-27 18:04                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-27 18:33                           ` Gal Pressman
2024-08-27 18:39                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-28  3:59             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  4:29               ` Arinzon, David
2024-09-04  8:05                 ` Xuan Zhuo

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