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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Yan Zhai <yan@cloudflare.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Florian Westphal" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"Mina Almasry" <almasrymina@google.com>,
	"Abhishek Chauhan" <quic_abchauha@quicinc.com>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Alexander Lobakin" <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	"David Ahern" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"Richard Gobert" <richardbgobert@gmail.com>,
	"Antoine Tenart" <atenart@kernel.org>,
	"Felix Fietkau" <nbd@nbd.name>,
	"Soheil Hassas Yeganeh" <soheil@google.com>,
	"Pavel Begunkov" <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
	"Lorenzo Bianconi" <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Weißschuh" <linux@weissschuh.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 1/9] skb: introduce gro_disabled bit
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 04:27:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6677dc5cb5cca_33522729474@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO3-Pbp8frVM-i6NKkmyNOFrqqW=g58rK8m4vfdWbiSHHdQBsg@mail.gmail.com>

Yan Zhai wrote:
> > > -static inline bool netif_elide_gro(const struct net_device *dev)
> > > +static inline bool netif_elide_gro(const struct sk_buff *skb)
> > >  {
> > > -     if (!(dev->features & NETIF_F_GRO) || dev->xdp_prog)
> > > +     if (!(skb->dev->features & NETIF_F_GRO) || skb->dev->xdp_prog)
> > >               return true;
> > > +
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_SKB_GRO_CONTROL
> > > +     return skb->gro_disabled;
> > > +#else
> > >       return false;
> > > +#endif
> >
> > Yet more branches in the hot path.
> >
> > Compile time configurability does not help, as that will be
> > enabled by distros.
> >
> > For a fairly niche use case. Where functionality of GRO already
> > works. So just a performance for a very rare case at the cost of a
> > regression in the common case. A small regression perhaps, but death
> > by a thousand cuts.
> >
> 
> I share your concern on operating on this hotpath. Will a
> static_branch + sysctl make it less aggressive?

That is always a possibility. But we have to use it judiciously,
cannot add a sysctl for every branch.

I'm still of the opinion that Paolo shared that this seems a lot of
complexity for a fairly minor performance optimization for a rare
case.

> Speaking of
> performance, I'd hope this can give us more control so we can achieve
> the best of two worlds: for TCP and some UDP traffic, we can enable
> GRO, while for some other classes that we know GRO does no good or
> even harm, let's disable GRO to save more cycles. The key observation
> is that developers may already know which traffic is blessed by GRO,
> but lack a way to realize it.

Following up also on Daniel's point on using BPF as GRO engine. Even
earlier I tried to add an option to selectively enable GRO protocols
without BPF. Definitely worthwhile to be able to disable GRO handlers
to reduce attack surface to bad input.


> 
> best
> Yan



  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-23  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-20 22:19 [RFC net-next 0/9] xdp: allow disable GRO per packet by XDP Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 1/9] skb: introduce gro_disabled bit Yan Zhai
2024-06-21  9:11   ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-21 15:40     ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21  9:49   ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-21 14:29     ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21  9:57   ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-21 15:17     ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 12:15   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-06-21 12:47     ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-06-21 16:00       ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 16:15         ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-06-21 17:20           ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-23  8:23             ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-06-24 13:30               ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-06-24 17:49                 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 15:34     ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-23  8:27       ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2024-06-24 18:17         ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-30 13:40           ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-07-03 18:46             ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 2/9] xdp: add XDP_FLAGS_GRO_DISABLED flag Yan Zhai
2024-06-21  9:15   ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-21 16:12     ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 3/9] xdp: implement bpf_xdp_disable_gro kfunc Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 4/9] bnxt: apply XDP offloading fixup when building skb Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 5/9] ice: " Yan Zhai
2024-06-21  9:20   ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-21 16:05     ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 6/9] veth: " Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 7/9] mlx5: move xdp_buff scope one level up Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 8/9] mlx5: apply XDP offloading fixup when building skb Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 9/9] bpf: selftests: test disabling GRO by XDP Yan Zhai

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