From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Yan Zhai <yan@cloudflare.com>,
Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
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"Soheil Hassas Yeganeh" <soheil@google.com>,
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"Lorenzo Bianconi" <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Weißschuh" <linux@weissschuh.net>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 1/9] skb: introduce gro_disabled bit
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 04:27:08 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6677dc5cb5cca_33522729474@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO3-Pbp8frVM-i6NKkmyNOFrqqW=g58rK8m4vfdWbiSHHdQBsg@mail.gmail.com>
Yan Zhai wrote:
> > > -static inline bool netif_elide_gro(const struct net_device *dev)
> > > +static inline bool netif_elide_gro(const struct sk_buff *skb)
> > > {
> > > - if (!(dev->features & NETIF_F_GRO) || dev->xdp_prog)
> > > + if (!(skb->dev->features & NETIF_F_GRO) || skb->dev->xdp_prog)
> > > return true;
> > > +
> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_SKB_GRO_CONTROL
> > > + return skb->gro_disabled;
> > > +#else
> > > return false;
> > > +#endif
> >
> > Yet more branches in the hot path.
> >
> > Compile time configurability does not help, as that will be
> > enabled by distros.
> >
> > For a fairly niche use case. Where functionality of GRO already
> > works. So just a performance for a very rare case at the cost of a
> > regression in the common case. A small regression perhaps, but death
> > by a thousand cuts.
> >
>
> I share your concern on operating on this hotpath. Will a
> static_branch + sysctl make it less aggressive?
That is always a possibility. But we have to use it judiciously,
cannot add a sysctl for every branch.
I'm still of the opinion that Paolo shared that this seems a lot of
complexity for a fairly minor performance optimization for a rare
case.
> Speaking of
> performance, I'd hope this can give us more control so we can achieve
> the best of two worlds: for TCP and some UDP traffic, we can enable
> GRO, while for some other classes that we know GRO does no good or
> even harm, let's disable GRO to save more cycles. The key observation
> is that developers may already know which traffic is blessed by GRO,
> but lack a way to realize it.
Following up also on Daniel's point on using BPF as GRO engine. Even
earlier I tried to add an option to selectively enable GRO protocols
without BPF. Definitely worthwhile to be able to disable GRO handlers
to reduce attack surface to bad input.
>
> best
> Yan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-23 8:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-20 22:19 [RFC net-next 0/9] xdp: allow disable GRO per packet by XDP Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 1/9] skb: introduce gro_disabled bit Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 9:11 ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-21 15:40 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 9:49 ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-21 14:29 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 9:57 ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-21 15:17 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 12:15 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-06-21 12:47 ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-06-21 16:00 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 16:15 ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-06-21 17:20 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-23 8:23 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-06-24 13:30 ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-06-24 17:49 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 15:34 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-23 8:27 ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2024-06-24 18:17 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-30 13:40 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-07-03 18:46 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 2/9] xdp: add XDP_FLAGS_GRO_DISABLED flag Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 9:15 ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-21 16:12 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 3/9] xdp: implement bpf_xdp_disable_gro kfunc Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 4/9] bnxt: apply XDP offloading fixup when building skb Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 5/9] ice: " Yan Zhai
2024-06-21 9:20 ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-21 16:05 ` Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 6/9] veth: " Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 7/9] mlx5: move xdp_buff scope one level up Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 8/9] mlx5: apply XDP offloading fixup when building skb Yan Zhai
2024-06-20 22:19 ` [RFC net-next 9/9] bpf: selftests: test disabling GRO by XDP Yan Zhai
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