From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C5D32E7390 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2026 08:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785142470; cv=none; b=NHhnfykTACQizsqS5m/frq8XXc3MP/NP3F5pMMf5GpNygMb09wd3lSq3jsiYMtF/Wtw26C16ZlNjB0PWo/TjopQprFvnFGpahs0k+G4gW2R9x1gcqS8eDUQknIVkJeAQqNYzwDmcmw99GZVYH3BbEfIWqw0ZA8fSCMNI1T5U29I= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785142470; c=relaxed/simple; bh=ULq/kSzjheGweecV12Gw62bj6IcMm9gGOzY6cVx0Ua0=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=S/J4KCtuAaBxUqVfAo5Iq2LFzSqHn0hemDR9/VX2vfKkf/ah2+BaqpUlcjrBSkHI48MCXp8jtl4/az7zejMYhKPVab0CqewsC/2JFFUWZiJBlSwnhvsewXLNGQ1t+TL5ZEnPrmc/KSmfc7pwzsyKUxCCuVfC0cDCLNQ/vhWFx64= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=H7wM0TJU; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="H7wM0TJU" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB32D1F00ACF; Mon, 27 Jul 2026 08:54:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1785142469; bh=kHTPAOVQWinbhFXxBDzqMaptukAQIttXbok1Cgi+38A=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=H7wM0TJUg3UaazkYyL66OytGvTefpmK3pL9vRhRGwLFhkd7hKMj7Y118qaNOaUhx9 SeLN5lTEK5ZOLXt/zFlAHG9Q0j82X+Noj5OrubfE9Ug+L7fTjluQEdfyG1EYhao1s2 wVRcp5CXaWLPcX1czubPpDsJYjTCrEokgAOOfxC2NCQ96pQKSuE1q0YtIjjT9OeSWJ 2RKfOBFRB5WQ/0stfSpjlLComLcoP4xzX4IkD42nGi6gLt75bX1SzswoU4TKQa+zcB AkIjtPiZca4VKmvhmKqussaVCAEhWS+/FPVTwEqp46uCENGL2iG6SOi+8WGV6uQ7XH 4EleqqvN2d+mw== Message-ID: <668c6399-0507-479a-94a2-870de5a23739@kernel.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2026 10:54:24 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Beta Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/2] docs: netdev: clarify expected interactions with LLMs Content-Language: fr To: Paolo Abeni , Jakub Raczynski Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Jakub Kicinski , Simon Horman , Jonathan Corbet , Shuah Khan References: <83360de7addb13a3b5f4d5e722148f248fdb2ae0.1784884817.git.pabeni@redhat.com> <68b50e02-c238-48c6-b2aa-98eb21077329@kernel.org> From: Matthieu Baerts Autocrypt: addr=matttbe@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBFXj+ekBEADxVr99p2guPcqHFeI/JcFxls6KibzyZD5TQTyfuYlzEp7C7A9swoK5iCvf YBNdx5Xl74NLSgx6y/1NiMQGuKeu+2BmtnkiGxBNanfXcnl4L4Lzz+iXBvvbtCbynnnqDDqU c7SPFMpMesgpcu1xFt0F6bcxE+0ojRtSCZ5HDElKlHJNYtD1uwY4UYVGWUGCF/+cY1YLmtfb WdNb/SFo+Mp0HItfBC12qtDIXYvbfNUGVnA5jXeWMEyYhSNktLnpDL2gBUCsdbkov5VjiOX7 CRTkX0UgNWRjyFZwThaZADEvAOo12M5uSBk7h07yJ97gqvBtcx45IsJwfUJE4hy8qZqsA62A nTRflBvp647IXAiCcwWsEgE5AXKwA3aL6dcpVR17JXJ6nwHHnslVi8WesiqzUI9sbO/hXeXw TDSB+YhErbNOxvHqCzZEnGAAFf6ges26fRVyuU119AzO40sjdLV0l6LE7GshddyazWZf0iac nEhX9NKxGnuhMu5SXmo2poIQttJuYAvTVUNwQVEx/0yY5xmiuyqvXa+XT7NKJkOZSiAPlNt6 VffjgOP62S7M9wDShUghN3F7CPOrrRsOHWO/l6I/qJdUMW+MHSFYPfYiFXoLUZyPvNVCYSgs 3oQaFhHapq1f345XBtfG3fOYp1K2wTXd4ThFraTLl8PHxCn4ywARAQABzSRNYXR0aGlldSBC YWVydHMgPG1hdHR0YmVAa2VybmVsLm9yZz7CwZEEEwEIADsCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYC AwECHgECF4AWIQToy4X3aHcFem4n93r2t4JPQmmgcwUCZUDpDAIZAQAKCRD2t4JPQmmgcz33 EACjROM3nj9FGclR5AlyPUbAq/txEX7E0EFQCDtdLPrjBcLAoaYJIQUV8IDCcPjZMJy2ADp7 /zSwYba2rE2C9vRgjXZJNt21mySvKnnkPbNQGkNRl3TZAinO1Ddq3fp2c/GmYaW1NWFSfOmw MvB5CJaN0UK5l0/drnaA6Hxsu62V5UnpvxWgexqDuo0wfpEeP1PEqMNzyiVPvJ8bJxgM8qoC cpXLp1Rq/jq7pbUycY8GeYw2j+FVZJHlhL0w0Zm9CFHThHxRAm1tsIPc+oTorx7haXP+nN0J iqBXVAxLK2KxrHtMygim50xk2QpUotWYfZpRRv8dMygEPIB3f1Vi5JMwP4M47NZNdpqVkHrm jvcNuLfDgf/vqUvuXs2eA2/BkIHcOuAAbsvreX1WX1rTHmx5ud3OhsWQQRVL2rt+0p1DpROI 3Ob8F78W5rKr4HYvjX2Inpy3WahAm7FzUY184OyfPO/2zadKCqg8n01mWA9PXxs84bFEV2mP VzC5j6K8U3RNA6cb9bpE5bzXut6T2gxj6j+7TsgMQFhbyH/tZgpDjWvAiPZHb3sV29t8XaOF BwzqiI2AEkiWMySiHwCCMsIH9WUH7r7vpwROko89Tk+InpEbiphPjd7qAkyJ+tNIEWd1+MlX ZPtOaFLVHhLQ3PLFLkrU3+Yi3tXqpvLE3gO3LM7BTQRV4/npARAA5+u/Sx1n9anIqcgHpA7l 5SUCP1e/qF7n5DK8LiM10gYglgY0XHOBi0S7vHppH8hrtpizx+7t5DBdPJgVtR6SilyK0/mp 9nWHDhc9rwU3KmHYgFFsnX58eEmZxz2qsIY8juFor5r7kpcM5dRR9aB+HjlOOJJgyDxcJTwM 1ey4L/79P72wuXRhMibN14SX6TZzf+/XIOrM6TsULVJEIv1+NdczQbs6pBTpEK/G2apME7vf mjTsZU26Ezn+LDMX16lHTmIJi7Hlh7eifCGGM+g/AlDV6aWKFS+sBbwy+YoS0Zc3Yz8zrdbi Kzn3kbKd+99//mysSVsHaekQYyVvO0KD2KPKBs1S/ImrBb6XecqxGy/y/3HWHdngGEY2v2IP Qox7mAPznyKyXEfG+0rrVseZSEssKmY01IsgwwbmN9ZcqUKYNhjv67WMX7tNwiVbSrGLZoqf Xlgw4aAdnIMQyTW8nE6hH/Iwqay4S2str4HZtWwyWLitk7N+e+vxuK5qto4AxtB7VdimvKUs x6kQO5F3YWcC3vCXCgPwyV8133+fIR2L81R1L1q3swaEuh95vWj6iskxeNWSTyFAVKYYVskG V+OTtB71P1XCnb6AJCW9cKpC25+zxQqD2Zy0dK3u2RuKErajKBa/YWzuSaKAOkneFxG3LJIv Hl7iqPF+JDCjB5sAEQEAAcLBXwQYAQIACQUCVeP56QIbDAAKCRD2t4JPQmmgc5VnD/9YgbCr HR1FbMbm7td54UrYvZV/i7m3dIQNXK2e+Cbv5PXf19ce3XluaE+wA8D+vnIW5mbAAiojt3Mb 6p0WJS3QzbObzHNgAp3zy/L4lXwc6WW5vnpWAzqXFHP8D9PTpqvBALbXqL06smP47JqbyQxj Xf7D2rrPeIqbYmVY9da1KzMOVf3gReazYa89zZSdVkMojfWsbq05zwYU+SCWS3NiyF6QghbW voxbFwX1i/0xRwJiX9NNbRj1huVKQuS4W7rbWA87TrVQPXUAdkyd7FRYICNW+0gddysIwPoa KrLfx3Ba6Rpx0JznbrVOtXlihjl4KV8mtOPjYDY9u+8x412xXnlGl6AC4HLu2F3ECkamY4G6 UxejX+E6vW6Xe4n7H+rEX5UFgPRdYkS1TA/X3nMen9bouxNsvIJv7C6adZmMHqu/2azX7S7I vrxxySzOw9GxjoVTuzWMKWpDGP8n71IFeOot8JuPZtJ8omz+DZel+WCNZMVdVNLPOd5frqOv mpz0VhFAlNTjU1Vy0CnuxX3AM51J8dpdNyG0S8rADh6C8AKCDOfUstpq28/6oTaQv7QZdge0 JY6dglzGKnCi/zsmp2+1w559frz4+IC7j/igvJGX4KDDKUs0mlld8J2u2sBXv7CGxdzQoHaz lzVbFe7fduHbABmYz9cefQpO7wDE/Q== Organization: NGI0 Core In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 27/07/2026 10:24, Paolo Abeni wrote: > > > On 7/24/26 3:39 PM, Matthieu Baerts wrote: >> Hi Paolo, Jakub, >> >> On 24/07/2026 13:56, Jakub Raczynski wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 11:24:05AM +0200, Paolo Abeni wrote: >>>> +both use the Sashiko infrastructure on top of different models. Reviews are >>>> +available after 24h. Patch authors are expected to proactively look into the >>>> +AI-generated reviews and handle such feedback as any other kind of review: >>>> +either debate it or address it. In both cases a reply on the mailing list is >>>> +expected. >>>> + >>> >>> Would it be reasonable to implement automatic response from Sashiko to >>> mailing list? Some mailing lists (eg. dri-devel as far as I have seen) post >>> all replies from Sashiko to thread, which is imo not bad, >>> although it could be filtered by High/Critical severity. >>> >>> What do you think about potential for similar solution on netdev, >>> since AI review has become 'basic' check in patchwork? >> I was thinking that too: it would be easier to reply to the comments, >> and help the authors to remember about them. That will not help to >> decrease the traffic on the netdev ML, but it is also possible to >> configure Sashiko to email only the authors: >> >> https://github.com/sashiko-dev/sashiko/blob/main/docs/configuration.md#email_policytoml > > One concern I personally have with the above is that it could turn the > ML in an public automated AI review tool, definitely flooding any > eventual good contents. > > In any case this discussion is IMHO quite orthogonal to the > documentation update. Indeed. The current version looks good to me: Reviewed-by: Matthieu Baerts (NGI0) >>>> +Authors are strongly encouraged to run LLM reviews on the posted patches in >>>> +advance of the actual post. Large series triggering a significant amount of >>>> +AI-generated feedback will likely get little attention from maintainers and >>>> +reviewers. >> >> If Sashiko emails the list and/or the authors, it would be good if this >> note is added to the emails, not to push people to abuse the public CI >> and AI resources. >> >> On a similar topic, it might be interesting to mention SUIE and the >> scoring system. Or mentioning that sending multiple untested versions >> will move their series to the bottom of the queue. > I have some doubts WRT setting in stone (in the doc) the actual patch > review order or an explicit "sanctions" system. I think the patch > wording allows for more flexibility. It makes sense. But at some points, I think it might be good to clarify that sending multiple "untested" versions is not acceptable, i.e. the ML is not a public automated AI review tool, no? Cheers, Matt -- Sponsored by the NGI0 Core fund.