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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Jason Xing <kerneljasonxing@gmail.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	 willemb@google.com,  davem@davemloft.net,  edumazet@google.com,
	 kuba@kernel.org,  pabeni@redhat.com,  dsahern@kernel.org,
	 ast@kernel.org,  daniel@iogearbox.net,  andrii@kernel.org,
	 eddyz87@gmail.com,  song@kernel.org,  yonghong.song@linux.dev,
	 john.fastabend@gmail.com,  kpsingh@kernel.org,  sdf@fomichev.me,
	 haoluo@google.com,  jolsa@kernel.org,  shuah@kernel.org,
	 ykolal@fb.com,  bpf@vger.kernel.org,  netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	 Jason Xing <kernelxing@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 02/14] net-timestamp: allow two features to work parallelly
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2024 12:39:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <672504444fc8a_1c9cd029466@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL+tcoDyvAcwxdsOWfWoJ-ZJ=kMXdw-XM2BDC+_tJO+Eudg3jg@mail.gmail.com>

> > > >>
> > > >> For datagrams (UDP as well as RAW and many non IP protocols), an
> > > >> alternative still needs to be found.
> > >
> > > In udp/raw/..., I don't know how likely is the user space having "cork->tx_flags
> > > & SKBTX_ANY_TSTAMP" set but has neither "READ_ONCE(sk->sk_tsflags) &
> > > SOF_TIMESTAMPING_OPT_ID" nor "cork->flags & IPCORK_TS_OPT_ID" set.
> >
> > This is not something to rely on. OPT_ID was added relatively recently.
> > Older applications, or any that just use the most straightforward API,
> > will not set this.
> >
> > > If it is
> > > unlikely, may be we can just disallow bpf prog from directly setting
> > > skb_shinfo(skb)->tskey for this particular skb.
> > >
> > > For all other cases, in __ip[6]_append_data, directly call a bpf prog and also
> > > pass the kernel decided tskey to the bpf prog.
> > >
> > > The kernel passed tskey could be 0 (meaning the user space has not used it). The
> > > bpf prog can give one for the kernel to use. The bpf prog can store the
> > > sk_tskey_bpf in the bpf_sk_storage now. Meaning no need to add one to the struct
> > > sock. The bpf prog does not have to start from 0 (e.g. start from U32_MAX
> > > instead) if it helps.
> > >
> > > If the kernel passed tskey is not 0, the bpf prog can just use that one
> > > (assuming the user space is doing something sane, like the value in
> > > SCM_TS_OPT_ID won't be jumping back and front between 0 to U32_MAX). I hope this
> > > is very unlikely also (?) but the bpf prog can probably detect this and choose
> > > to ignore this sk.
> >
> > If an applications uses OPT_ID, it is unlikely that they will toggle
> > the feature on and off on a per-packet basis. So in the common case
> > the program could use the user-set counter or use its own if userspace
> > does not enable the feature. In the rare case that an application does
> > intermittently set an OPT_ID, the numbering would be erratic. This
> > does mean that an actively malicious application could mess with admin
> > measurements.
> >
> 
> Sorry, I got lost in this part. What would you recommend I should do
> about OPT_ID in the next move? Should I keep those three OPT_ID
> patches?

I did not offer a suggestion. Just pointed out a constraint.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-01 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-28 11:05 [PATCH net-next v3 00/14] net-timestamp: bpf extension to equip applications transparently Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 01/14] net-timestamp: reorganize in skb_tstamp_tx_output() Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 02/14] net-timestamp: allow two features to work parallelly Jason Xing
2024-10-29 23:00   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-30  1:23     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30  1:45       ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-30  2:32         ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30  2:47           ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-30  3:04             ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30  5:37               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-30  6:42                 ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30 17:15                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-30 23:54                     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31  0:13                       ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31  6:27                         ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-31  7:04                           ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31 12:30                             ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-31 13:50                               ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31 23:26                                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-01  7:47                                   ` Jason Xing
2024-11-05  1:50                                     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-05  3:13                                       ` Jason Xing
2024-11-01 13:32                                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-11-01 16:08                                     ` Jason Xing
2024-11-01 16:39                                       ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2024-11-05  2:09                                     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-05  6:22                                       ` Jason Xing
2024-11-05 19:22                                         ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-06  0:17                                           ` Jason Xing
2024-11-06  1:09                                             ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-06  2:51                                               ` Jason Xing
2024-11-07  1:19                                                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-07  3:31                                                   ` Jason Xing
2024-11-07 19:05                                                     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-06  1:11                                             ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-11-06  2:37                                               ` Jason Xing
2024-11-05 14:29                                       ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-11-02 13:43   ` Simon Horman
2024-11-03  0:42     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 03/14] net-timestamp: open gate for bpf_setsockopt/_getsockopt Jason Xing
2024-10-29  0:59   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  1:18     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30  0:32   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-30  1:15     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 04/14] net-timestamp: introduce TS_SCHED_OPT_CB to generate dev xmit timestamp Jason Xing
2024-10-29  0:23   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-29  1:02   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  1:30     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:04   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 05/14] net-timestamp: introduce TS_SW_OPT_CB to generate driver timestamp Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 06/14] net-timestamp: introduce TS_ACK_OPT_CB to generate tcp acked timestamp Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:03   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  1:19     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 07/14] net-timestamp: add a new triggered point to set sk_tsflags_bpf in UDP layer Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:07   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  1:23     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:33       ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  3:12         ` Jason Xing
2024-10-29 15:04           ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29 15:44             ` Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 08/14] net-timestamp: make bpf for tx timestamp work Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 09/14] net-timestamp: add a common helper to set tskey Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 10/14] net-timestamp: add basic support with tskey offset Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:24   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  2:41     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-29 15:03       ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29 15:50         ` Jason Xing
2024-10-29 19:45           ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-30  3:27             ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30  5:42   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-30  6:50     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31  1:17       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-31  2:41         ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31  3:27           ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31  5:52           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-31  6:16             ` Jason Xing
2024-10-31 23:50           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-11-01  6:33             ` Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 11/14] net-timestamp: support OPT_ID for TCP proto Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 12/14] net-timestamp: add OPT_ID for UDP proto Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 13/14] net-timestamp: use static key to control bpf extension Jason Xing
2024-10-28 11:05 ` [PATCH net-next v3 14/14] bpf: add simple bpf tests in the tx path for so_timstamping feature Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:26   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  1:33     ` Jason Xing
2024-10-29  1:40       ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-10-29  3:13         ` Jason Xing
2024-10-30  5:57   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-10-30  6:54     ` Jason Xing

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