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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Zahka <daniel.zahka@gmail.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	 Donald Hunter <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	 "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	 Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>
Cc: "Saeed Mahameed" <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
	"Tariq Toukan" <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	"Boris Pismenny" <borisp@nvidia.com>,
	"Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@google.com>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"David Ahern" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"Neal Cardwell" <ncardwell@google.com>,
	"Patrisious Haddad" <phaddad@nvidia.com>,
	"Raed Salem" <raeds@nvidia.com>,
	"Jianbo Liu" <jianbol@nvidia.com>,
	"Dragos Tatulea" <dtatulea@nvidia.com>,
	"Rahul Rameshbabu" <rrameshbabu@nvidia.com>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Alexander Lobakin" <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	"Jacob Keller" <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/17] psp: track generations of device key
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:02:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <685d52e4bd4c4_2dcd9a2947c@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6f3efcf-f820-4b0e-8d2b-9b818b58fc2f@gmail.com>

Daniel Zahka wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/25/25 8:20 PM, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > Daniel Zahka wrote:
> >> From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
> >>
> >> There is a (somewhat theoretical in absence of multi-host support)
> >> possibility that another entity will rotate the key and we won't
> >> know. This may lead to accepting packets with matching SPI but
> >> which used different crypto keys than we expected. Maintain and
> >> compare "key generation" per PSP spec.
> > One option is for the device to include a generation id along
> > with the session key and SPI.
> >
> > It already does, as the MSB of the SPI determines which of the two
> > device keys is responsible.
> >
> > But this could be extended to multi-bit.
> 
> The idea behind psd->generation is that the device can give each device 
> key an id, and then on rx, the device will fill out the rx metadata with 
> the id for whatever key was used for decryption. The policy checking 
> code in the tcp layer checks the generation from the rx metadata against 
> the one in the psp_assoc from when the session key was created. In this 
> way, psd->generation is opaque. It would be most intuitive for it to be 
> something like additional MSBs of the spi space, though.

Ack. This is similar to the Google implementation on github.

> >
> > Another option to avoid this issue is for a device to notify the host
> > whenever it rotates the key. This can be due to a multi-host scenario
> > where another host requested a rotation. Or it may be a device
> > initiated rotation as it runs out of 31b SPI.
> >   
> 
> This will need to be supported in any case. I think this is all to deal 
> with any potential races against getting a spi after a rotation and 
> immediately trying to use it to forge a packet targeted towards a socket 
> on the same machine that may now have that same spi from a previous 
> device key. I'm not sure if that is a legitimate concern, but if the 
> device has the ability to provide extra device key generation bits with 
> rx decryption metadata, this just uses that.

Right, the generation and SPI must both be checked before enqueuing
onto a socket.

Technically, the single MSB is sufficient, as it is never possible
for a new SPI for generation X to have match generation X - 1. And
even older generations will no longer be decrypted.
 
> >> Since we're tracking "key generations" more explicitly now,
> >> maintain different lists for associations from different generations.
> >> This way we can catch stale associations (the user space should
> >> listen to rotation notifications and change the keys).
> >>
> >> Drivers can "opt out" of generation tracking by setting
> >> the generation value to 0.
> > Why?
> 
> If the device doesn't support this capability of filling out rx metadata 
> with additional key generation bits beyond the MSB of the spi.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-26 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-25 13:51 [PATCH v2 00/17] add basic PSP encryption for TCP connections Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] psp: add documentation Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 23:42   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 11:55     ` Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26 13:49       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-26 13:58         ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] psp: base PSP device support Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 23:55   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 14:00     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-26 14:25       ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 15:11         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-26 17:20           ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 23:57             ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-27 16:10               ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] net: modify core data structures for PSP datapath support Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] tcp: add datapath logic for PSP with inline key exchange Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26  0:06   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 14:07     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] psp: add op for rotation of device key Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] net: move sk_validate_xmit_skb() to net/core/dev.c Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] net: tcp: allow tcp_timewait_sock to validate skbs before handing to device Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26  0:02   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] net: psp: add socket security association code Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 22:18   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-25 23:01     ` Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26  2:09   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26  2:12   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 12:37     ` Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26  3:31   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-06-25 13:51 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] net: psp: update the TCP MSS to reflect PSP packet overhead Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] psp: track generations of device key Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26  0:20   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-26 12:19     ` Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26 14:02       ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] net/mlx5e: Support PSP offload functionality Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] net/mlx5e: Implement PSP operations .assoc_add and .assoc_del Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] net/mlx5e: Implement PSP Tx data path Daniel Zahka
2025-06-26  1:54   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] net/mlx5e: Add PSP steering in local NIC RX Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] net/mlx5e: Configure PSP Rx flow steering rules Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] net/mlx5e: Add Rx data path offload Daniel Zahka
2025-06-25 13:52 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] net/mlx5e: Implement PSP key_rotate operation Daniel Zahka

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