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From: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
	davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, kuba@kernel.org,
	pabeni@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com, eperezma@redhat.com,
	leiyang@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org, jon@nutanix.com,
	tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v7 3/9] tun/tap: add ptr_ring consume helper with netdev queue wakeup
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 10:31:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6b341fc6-8946-4710-8505-e4e3d70edc8e@tu-dortmund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEtzD3ORJuJcc8VeqwASiGeVFdQmJowsK6PYVEF_Zkcn8Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/26 07:02, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 3:41 PM Simon Schippers
> <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/8/26 04:38, Jason Wang wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 5:06 AM Simon Schippers
>>> <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Introduce {tun,tap}_ring_consume() helpers that wrap __ptr_ring_consume()
>>>> and wake the corresponding netdev subqueue when consuming an entry frees
>>>> space in the underlying ptr_ring.
>>>>
>>>> Stopping of the netdev queue when the ptr_ring is full will be introduced
>>>> in an upcoming commit.
>>>>
>>>> Co-developed-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
>>>> ---
>>>>  drivers/net/tap.c | 23 ++++++++++++++++++++++-
>>>>  drivers/net/tun.c | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>>>  2 files changed, 45 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tap.c b/drivers/net/tap.c
>>>> index 1197f245e873..2442cf7ac385 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tap.c
>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tap.c
>>>> @@ -753,6 +753,27 @@ static ssize_t tap_put_user(struct tap_queue *q,
>>>>         return ret ? ret : total;
>>>>  }
>>>>
>>>> +static void *tap_ring_consume(struct tap_queue *q)
>>>> +{
>>>> +       struct ptr_ring *ring = &q->ring;
>>>> +       struct net_device *dev;
>>>> +       void *ptr;
>>>> +
>>>> +       spin_lock(&ring->consumer_lock);
>>>> +
>>>> +       ptr = __ptr_ring_consume(ring);
>>>> +       if (unlikely(ptr && __ptr_ring_consume_created_space(ring, 1))) {
>>>> +               rcu_read_lock();
>>>> +               dev = rcu_dereference(q->tap)->dev;
>>>> +               netif_wake_subqueue(dev, q->queue_index);
>>>> +               rcu_read_unlock();
>>>> +       }
>>>> +
>>>> +       spin_unlock(&ring->consumer_lock);
>>>> +
>>>> +       return ptr;
>>>> +}
>>>> +
>>>>  static ssize_t tap_do_read(struct tap_queue *q,
>>>>                            struct iov_iter *to,
>>>>                            int noblock, struct sk_buff *skb)
>>>> @@ -774,7 +795,7 @@ static ssize_t tap_do_read(struct tap_queue *q,
>>>>                                         TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
>>>>
>>>>                 /* Read frames from the queue */
>>>> -               skb = ptr_ring_consume(&q->ring);
>>>> +               skb = tap_ring_consume(q);
>>>>                 if (skb)
>>>>                         break;
>>>>                 if (noblock) {
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tun.c b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>> index 8192740357a0..7148f9a844a4 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>> @@ -2113,13 +2113,34 @@ static ssize_t tun_put_user(struct tun_struct *tun,
>>>>         return total;
>>>>  }
>>>>
>>>> +static void *tun_ring_consume(struct tun_file *tfile)
>>>> +{
>>>> +       struct ptr_ring *ring = &tfile->tx_ring;
>>>> +       struct net_device *dev;
>>>> +       void *ptr;
>>>> +
>>>> +       spin_lock(&ring->consumer_lock);
>>>> +
>>>> +       ptr = __ptr_ring_consume(ring);
>>>> +       if (unlikely(ptr && __ptr_ring_consume_created_space(ring, 1))) {
>>>
>>> I guess it's the "bug" I mentioned in the previous patch that leads to
>>> the check of __ptr_ring_consume_created_space() here. If it's true,
>>> another call to tweak the current API.
>>>
>>>> +               rcu_read_lock();
>>>> +               dev = rcu_dereference(tfile->tun)->dev;
>>>> +               netif_wake_subqueue(dev, tfile->queue_index);
>>>
>>> This would cause the producer TX_SOFTIRQ to run on the same cpu which
>>> I'm not sure is what we want.
>>
>> What else would you suggest calling to wake the queue?
> 
> I don't have a good method in my mind, just want to point out its implications.

Okay :)
> 
>>
>>>
>>>> +               rcu_read_unlock();
>>>> +       }
>>>
>>> Btw, this function duplicates a lot of logic of tap_ring_consume() we
>>> should consider to merge the logic.
>>
>> Yes, it is largely the same approach, but it would require accessing the
>> net_device each time.
> 
> The problem is that, at least for TUN, the socket is loosely coupled
> with the netdev. It means the netdev can go away while the socket
> might still exist. That's why vhost only talks to the socket, not the
> netdev. If we really want to go this way, here, we should at least
> check the existence of tun->dev first.

You are right, I missed that.

> 
>>
>>>
>>>> +
>>>> +       spin_unlock(&ring->consumer_lock);
>>>> +
>>>> +       return ptr;
>>>> +}
>>>> +
>>>>  static void *tun_ring_recv(struct tun_file *tfile, int noblock, int *err)
>>>>  {
>>>>         DECLARE_WAITQUEUE(wait, current);
>>>>         void *ptr = NULL;
>>>>         int error = 0;
>>>>
>>>> -       ptr = ptr_ring_consume(&tfile->tx_ring);
>>>> +       ptr = tun_ring_consume(tfile);
>>>
>>> I'm not sure having a separate patch like this may help. For example,
>>> it will introduce performance regression.
>>
>> I ran benchmarks for the whole patch set with noqueue (where the queue is
>> not stopped to preserve the old behavior), as described in the cover
>> letter, and observed no performance regression. This leads me to conclude
>> that there is no performance impact because of this patch when the queue
>> is not stopped.
> 
> Have you run a benchmark per patch? Or it might just be because the
> regression is not obvious. But at least this patch would introduce
> more atomic operations or it might just because the TUN doesn't
> support burst so pktgen can't have the best PPS.

No, I haven't. I see your point that this patch adds an additional
atomic test_and_clear_bit() (which will always return false without a
queue stop), and I should test that.

> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>>>         if (ptr)
>>>>                 goto out;
>>>>         if (noblock) {
>>>> @@ -2131,7 +2152,7 @@ static void *tun_ring_recv(struct tun_file *tfile, int noblock, int *err)
>>>>
>>>>         while (1) {
>>>>                 set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
>>>> -               ptr = ptr_ring_consume(&tfile->tx_ring);
>>>> +               ptr = tun_ring_consume(tfile);
>>>>                 if (ptr)
>>>>                         break;
>>>>                 if (signal_pending(current)) {
>>>> --
>>>> 2.43.0
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-09  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-07 21:04 [PATCH net-next v7 0/9] tun/tap & vhost-net: apply qdisc backpressure on full ptr_ring to reduce TX drops Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 1/9] ptr_ring: move free-space check into separate helper Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 2/9] ptr_ring: add helper to detect newly freed space on consume Simon Schippers
2026-01-08  3:23   ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08  7:20     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09  6:01       ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09  6:47         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-09  7:22   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-09  7:35     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09  8:31       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-09  9:06         ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 16:29           ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 3/9] tun/tap: add ptr_ring consume helper with netdev queue wakeup Simon Schippers
2026-01-08  3:38   ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08  7:40     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09  6:02       ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09  9:31         ` Simon Schippers [this message]
2026-01-21  9:32         ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-22  5:35           ` Jason Wang
2026-01-23  3:05             ` Jason Wang
2026-01-23  9:54               ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-27 16:47                 ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-28  7:03                   ` Jason Wang
2026-01-28  7:53                     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-29  1:14                       ` Jason Wang
2026-01-29  9:24                         ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-30  1:51                           ` Jason Wang
2026-02-01 20:19                             ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-03  3:48                               ` Jason Wang
2026-02-04 15:43                                 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-05  3:59                                   ` Jason Wang
2026-02-05 22:28                                     ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-06  3:21                                       ` Jason Wang
2026-02-08 18:18                                         ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-12  0:12                                           ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-12  7:06                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-12  8:03                                               ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-12  8:14                                           ` Jason Wang
2026-02-14 17:13                                             ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-14 18:18                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-14 19:51                                                 ` Simon Schippers
2026-02-14 23:49                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-15 10:38                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-16 13:27                                                     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 4/9] tun/tap: add batched ptr_ring consume functions " Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 5/9] tun/tap: add unconsume function for returning entries to ptr_ring Simon Schippers
2026-01-08  3:40   ` Jason Wang
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 6/9] tun/tap: add helper functions to check file type Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 7/9] vhost-net: vhost-net: replace rx_ring with tun/tap ring wrappers Simon Schippers
2026-01-08  4:38   ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08  7:47     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09  6:04       ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09  9:57         ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12  2:54           ` Jason Wang
2026-01-12  4:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 8/9] tun/tap: drop get ring exports Simon Schippers
2026-01-07 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v7 9/9] tun/tap & vhost-net: avoid ptr_ring tail-drop when qdisc is present Simon Schippers
2026-01-08  4:37   ` Jason Wang
2026-01-08  8:01     ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-09  6:09       ` Jason Wang
2026-01-09 10:14         ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12  2:22           ` Jason Wang
2026-01-12 11:08             ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 11:18               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-13  6:26               ` Jason Wang
2026-01-12  4:33           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-12 11:17             ` Simon Schippers
2026-01-12 11:19               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-12 11:28                 ` Simon Schippers

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