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From: Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Maxime Chevallier	 <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Maxime Coquelin <mcoquelin.stm32@gmail.com>,
	Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	Yury Norov	 <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt	 <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	 netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com,
	 linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/3] genirq: Honor existing IRQ affinities when setting affinity hints
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2026 19:30:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e82ad58a9d7148a3ed614037edd5150f84c0533.camel@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260821105310.ZRK2TO93@linutronix.de>

[ Might be a resend, got some HTML warnings for unknown reasons...]

On Fri, 2026-08-21 at 12:53 +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2026-08-21 12:38:52 [+0200], Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > Fully agree: drivers should not set affinities. They should just express
> > desires or additional constraints. The ultimately resulting affinity for
> > an IRQ should be the result of the various constraints that kernel and
> > userland may express via NUMA placements, isolcpus, some dynamic
> > isolation/grouping constraints, or you-name-it.
> 
> You might want to look at irq_create_affinity_masks()/
> group_cpus_evenly() which attempts to spread irqs evenly across CPUs/
> NUMA nodes. This is used by storage is considered a bit by the
> isolcpus=managed_irq option.

I'm aware of those functions but faced the following shortcomings
regarding timing:

1) irq_create_affinity_masks() is called on probe() time, which normally
is "boot time". Userspace is not up and running yet, so the
default_smp_affinity was not properly set up.

2) You can not overwrite the affinities set on probe() time until
request_irq() populates the affinities to /proc - and with that the
interface itself - at open()/"interface up for the first time" time.

If the default_smp_affinity changes until your interface comes up for
the first time, it might violate the current settings already. No chance
for a user to correct the current (device) settings.

> 
> > I think we need a big picture how things should eventually look like and
> > then develop a strategy how to step-wise convert existing code.
> > 
> > 

I just received the confirmation email that my abstract, which I
submitted to the Linux Plumbers Conference (Scheduler and Real-Time
micro-conference), has been accepted. There will be a session called
"PREEMPT_RT: How a simple interface up event might break your realtime".

Seems we have the chance to discuss this topic in person.

Florian

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-21 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-19 14:30 [PATCH RFC 0/3] genirq: Allow drivers to respect userspace IRQ affinities Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-19 14:30 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] cpumask: Honor irq_default_affinity in cpumask_local_spread() Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-19 18:38   ` Yury Norov
2026-08-20 16:09     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-21 17:14       ` Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-21 16:36     ` Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-19 14:30 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] genirq: Honor existing IRQ affinities when setting affinity hints Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-20 16:41   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-08-21 10:38     ` Jan Kiszka
2026-08-21 10:53       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-21 17:30         ` Florian Bezdeka [this message]
2026-08-19 14:30 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] net: stmmac: Migrate IRQ balancing to cpumask_local_spread() Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-19 18:45   ` Yury Norov
2026-08-21 16:40     ` Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-19 18:28 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] genirq: Allow drivers to respect userspace IRQ affinities Yury Norov
2026-08-19 23:54 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-08-20  0:10   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-08-21 16:57     ` Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-21 16:47   ` Florian Bezdeka
2026-08-20 15:12 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-21 17:09   ` Florian Bezdeka

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