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protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000586fcf0611426683" --000000000000586fcf0611426683 Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/13/2024 12:45 PM, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Tue, 2024-02-13 at 12:13 +0100, Arend van Spriel wrote: >> >> I recall the rule was that nl80211 API changes >> should also have at least one driver implementing it. Guess we let that >> slip a couple of times. I fully agree enforcing this. > > Well, enforcing it strictly never really worked all that well in > practice, since you don't necessarily want to have a complex driver > implementation while hashing out the API, and the API fundamentally has > to come first. > > So in a sense it comes down to trust, and that people will actually > follow up with implementations. And yeah, plans can change and you end > up not really supporting everything that was defined ... that's life, I > guess. > > But the mode here seems to be that there's not even any _intent_ to do > that? > > I guess we could hash out the API, review the patches, and then _not_ > apply them until a driver is ready? So the first round of reviews would > still come with API only, but once that settles we don't actually merge > it immediately, unlike normally where we merge a patch we've reviewed? > And then if whoever did it lost interest, we already have a reviewed > version for anyone else who might need it? Sounds like a plan. Maybe they can get a separate state in patchwork and let them sit there for grabs. Gr. 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