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From: devzero@web.de
To: 7eggert@gmx.de, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: bunk@kernel.org, jengelh@computergmbh.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Force UNIX domain sockets to be built in
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:23:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <78342039@web.de> (raw)

when i had that module modular and added to the initrd, udev didn`t work, though.
same error message:

udevd[1226]: init_udev_socket: error getting socket: Address family not supported by protocol 

not sure if i did a mistake here....

anyway, this message is not obvious to the end user.

i like the kernel being modular, but i also like it if things "just work" - and with "allmodconfig", modular UNIX domain sockets seem to create hassle.
(see http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-476363-highlight-.html or http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-463793-highlight-.html )


so, if this patch is being rejected, maybe it would be useful if udev would give a proper hint, if it`s missing this kernel feature. 

btw, udev documentation telling this:

  - The kernel must have sysfs, unix domain sockets and networking enabled.
    (unix domain sockets (CONFIG_UNIX) as a loadable kernel module may work,
    but it is completely silly - don't complain if anything goes wrong.)

furthermore, if this needs to be modular, then i`d please have tcp/ip networking modular, too. :)

regards
roland

ps:
not being a skilled programmer, so this is mostly an admins/users perspective.


> 
> From: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:09:43 +0100 (CET)
> 
> > As suggested by Adrian Bunk, UNIX domain sockets should always be built in 
> > on normal systems. This is especially true since udev needs these sockets
> > and fails to run if UNIX=m.
> > 
> > Signed-Off-By: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
> 
> People who use udev can make sure they have it built into their kernel
> if they have such a dependency.
> 
> Not everyone uses udev, and therefore needs AF_UNIX non-modular.
> 
> I keep seeing this crap patch get submitted and I'm going to keep
> dropping it because it's bogus.
> 
> It seems to stem from some filesystem interface or whatever that the
> VFS folks don't want to export or one they want to now stop exporting.
> 
> But that is a really cruddy reason to want to force AF_UNIX to not
> be allowed to be modular, and the udev thing just makes it more of a
> joke rather than a good technical reason.
> 


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             reply	other threads:[~2007-12-31 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-31 13:23 devzero [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-12-31 12:09 [PATCH] Force UNIX domain sockets to be built in Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 12:20 ` David Miller
2007-12-31 14:03   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 19:38     ` Al Viro
2008-01-01  3:45       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-01  3:48         ` David Miller
2008-01-01  4:48           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-01  5:01         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-02 10:25           ` Herbert Xu
2008-01-02 12:26             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 12:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 13:26   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 14:42     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 15:19       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 15:34         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-31 17:43           ` Patrick Mau
2007-12-31 22:20             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-31 17:51         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 18:05         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 15:55       ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 15:59         ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-31 16:01           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 16:17             ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 16:38               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 17:18                 ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-31 18:37                   ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 19:05                     ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-31 16:11           ` Torsten Kaiser

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