netdev.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Praveen Kaligineedi <pkaligineedi@google.com>
Cc: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
	sdf@google.com, Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Kaiyuan Zhang <kaiyuanz@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] netdev: implement netlink api to bind dma-buf to netdevice
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:34:32 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7cac1a2d-6184-7cd6-116c-e2d80c502db5@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izN26snAvM5DsGj+bhCUDjtAxCA7anAkO7Gm6JQf=w-CjA@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/18/23 3:52 PM, Mina Almasry wrote:
> The sticking points are:
> 1. From David: this proposal doesn't give an application the ability
> to flush an rx queue, which means that we have to rely on a driver
> reset that affects all queues to refill the rx queue buffers.

Generically, the design needs to be able to flush (or invalidate) all
references to the dma-buf once the process no longer "owns" it.

> 2. From Jakub: the uAPI and implementation here needs to be in line
> with his general direction & extensible to apply to existing use cases
> `ethtool -L/-G`, etc.

I think this is a bit more open ended given the openness of the netdev
netlink API. i.e., managing a H/W queue (create, delete, stop / flush,
associate a page_pool) could be done through this API.

> 
> AFAIU this is what I need to do in the next version:
> 
> 1. The uAPI will be changed such that it will either re-configure an
> existing queue to bind it to the dma-buf, or allocate a new queue
> bound to the dma-buf (not sure which is better at the moment). Either

1. API to manage a page-pool (create, delete, update).

2. API to add and remove a dma-buf (or host memory buffer) with a
page-pool. Remove may take time to flush references pushed to hardware
so this would be asynchronous.

3. Create a queue or use an existing queue id and associate a page-pool
with it.

> way, the configuration will take place immediately, and not rely on an
> entire driver reset to actuate the change.

yes

> 
> 2. The uAPI will be changed such that if the netlink socket is closed,
> or the process dies, the rx queue will be unbound from the dma-buf or
> the rx queue will be freed entirely (again, not sure which is better

I think those are separate actions. But, if the queue was created by and
referenced by a process, then closing an fd means it should be freed.

> at the moment). The configuration will take place immediately without
> relying on a driver reset.

yes on the reset.

> 
> 3. I will add 4 new net_device_ops that Jakub specified:
> queue_mem_alloc/free(), and queue_start/stop().
> 
> 4. The uAPI mentioned in #1 will use the new net_device_ops to
> allocate or reconfigure a queue attached to the provided dma-buf.
> 
> Does this sound roughly reasonable here?
> 
> AFAICT the only technical difficulty is that I'm not sure it's
> feasible for a driver to start or stop 1 rx-queue without triggering a
> full driver reset. The (2) drivers I looked at both do a full reset to
> change any queue configuration. I'll investigate.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-19  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-10  1:57 [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/11] net: add netdev netlink api to bind dma-buf to a net device Mina Almasry
2023-08-10 16:04   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2023-08-11  2:19     ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] netdev: implement netlink api to bind dma-buf to netdevice Mina Almasry
2023-08-13 11:26   ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-08-14  1:10   ` David Ahern
2023-08-14  3:15     ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-16  0:16     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-16 16:12       ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-18  1:33         ` David Ahern
2023-08-18  2:09           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-18  2:21             ` David Ahern
2023-08-18 21:52             ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-19  1:34               ` David Ahern [this message]
2023-08-19  2:06                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-19  3:30                   ` David Ahern
2023-08-19 14:18                     ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-19 17:59                       ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-21 21:16                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-22  0:38                         ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-22  1:51                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-22  3:19                       ` David Ahern
2023-08-30 12:38   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-09-08  0:47   ` David Wei
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/11] netdev: implement netdevice devmem allocator Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/11] memory-provider: updates to core provider API for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/11] memory-provider: implement dmabuf devmem memory provider Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/11] page-pool: add device memory support Mina Almasry
2023-08-19  9:51   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-08-19 14:08     ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-19 15:22       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-08-19 15:49         ` David Ahern
2023-08-19 16:12           ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-21 21:31             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-22  0:58               ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-19 16:11         ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-08-19 20:24         ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-19 20:27           ` Mina Almasry
2023-09-08  2:32           ` David Wei
2023-08-22  6:05     ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-22 12:24       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-08-22 23:33         ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/11] net: support non paged skb frags Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/11] net: add support for skbs with unreadable frags Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/11] tcp: implement recvmsg() RX path for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] net: add SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED setsockopt to release RX pages Mina Almasry
2023-08-10  1:57 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/11] selftests: add ncdevmem, netcat for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-08-10 10:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] Device Memory TCP Christian König
2023-08-10 16:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-10 18:44   ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-10 18:58     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-11  1:56       ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-11 11:02     ` Christian König
2023-08-14  1:12 ` David Ahern
2023-08-14  2:11   ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-17 18:00   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-08-17 22:18     ` Mina Almasry
2023-08-23 22:52       ` David Wei
2023-08-24  3:35         ` David Ahern
2023-08-15 13:38 ` David Laight
2023-08-15 14:41   ` Willem de Bruijn

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=7cac1a2d-6184-7cd6-116c-e2d80c502db5@kernel.org \
    --to=dsahern@kernel.org \
    --cc=almasrymina@google.com \
    --cc=edumazet@google.com \
    --cc=hawk@kernel.org \
    --cc=ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org \
    --cc=kaiyuanz@google.com \
    --cc=kuba@kernel.org \
    --cc=magnus.karlsson@intel.com \
    --cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=pabeni@redhat.com \
    --cc=pkaligineedi@google.com \
    --cc=sdf@google.com \
    --cc=willemb@google.com \
    --cc=willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).