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From: rick jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
Cc: netdev@oss.sgi.com, romieu@fr.zoreil.com,
	hubert.tonneau@fullpliant.org, shemminger@osdl.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.10 TCP troubles -- suggested patch
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:19:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86de38db09518ced8865af09cd79c064@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050212143105.GB27456@yakov.inr.ac.ru>


On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:31 AM, Alexey Kuznetsov wrote:

> Hello!
>
>>> In some cases at least if the sender does not completely fill cwnd 
>>> the
>>> ACKs will  be delayed.  And IIRC under 2.6.10 with TSO enabled, the
>>> sender does not always  fill cwnd.
>>
>> At a maximum, "1/tcp_tso_win_divisor" of the cwnd will ever be left
>> empty.
>>
>> By default, this is 1/8 of the cwnd.
>
> In any case, receiver cannot know sender cwnd, so that "fill" or "not 
> fill"
> is is not a question.

How is that?  Isn't cwnd based on the ACKs the sender receives from the 
receiver?

> What is broken in that implementation is that it does not feel slow 
> start.
> ACK avoidance while slow start is certain disaster. Currrent theory is 
> that
> MacOS X thinks that we do not do slow start.

Actually, it may think slow start is being done - there was enough 
small packet back and forth on the connection before the "heavy 
transfer" to get cwnd opened - I just didn't quote that in the "cooked" 
output.  All the stacks with ACK avoidance with which I am familiar do 
not make the assumption that the sender is not doing slow-start.  They 
make sure to send enough ACKs at the beginning (or after packet loss) 
to allow the sender's cwnd to grow.

rick jones
wisdom teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-12 20:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-11 21:55 2.6.10 TCP troubles -- suggested patch Hubert Tonneau
2005-02-11 22:54 ` Rick Jones
2005-02-11 23:09   ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-02-11 23:40     ` Rick Jones
2005-02-12  1:08     ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12  1:09   ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 14:31     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-12 19:28       ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 19:44         ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-12 19:52         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-15 23:25           ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 20:19       ` rick jones [this message]
2005-02-12 20:28         ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 20:56         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-12 21:27           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-02-12 21:43           ` rick jones
2005-02-12 22:00             ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-13  1:29               ` rick jones
2005-02-11 23:04 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-02-12  1:07   ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 12:11     ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-12 19:23       ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 21:30         ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-12 14:16     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-12 19:41       ` David S. Miller
2005-02-12 20:03         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-15 23:26           ` David S. Miller
2005-02-15 23:42             ` Rick Jones
2005-02-15 23:23   ` David S. Miller
2005-02-16  9:13     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-16 17:50       ` David S. Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-20 23:06 Hubert Tonneau
2005-02-16 20:00 Hubert Tonneau
2005-02-13 10:52 Hubert Tonneau
2005-02-14 14:12 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2005-02-10 21:53 Hubert Tonneau
2005-02-10 22:36 ` Rick Jones
2005-02-11  1:16   ` David S. Miller
     [not found] <050QTJA12@server5.heliogroup.fr>
2005-02-09 18:59 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-02-09 20:25   ` David S. Miller

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