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From: Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@cloudflare.com>
To: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org,  "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	 Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	 Michael Chan <michael.chan@broadcom.com>,
	Pavan Chebbi <pavan.chebbi@broadcom.com>,
	 Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	 Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	Przemek Kitszel <przemyslaw.kitszel@intel.com>,
	 Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	 Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	 Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	 Mark Bloch <mbloch@nvidia.com>,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	 Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>,
	 John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	 Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org,  bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@cloudflare.com,  Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	 Amery Hung <ameryhung@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 00/10] Call skb_metadata_set when skb->data points past metadata
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2026 20:15:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878qdltsg0.fsf@cloudflare.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ad835a9b-e544-48d3-b6e2-ffe172fcfa6d@linux.dev> (Martin KaFai Lau's message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2026 12:21:21 -0800")

On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 12:21 PM -08, Martin KaFai Lau wrote:
> On 1/13/26 4:33 AM, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
>> Good point. I'm hoping we don't have to allocate from
>> skb_metadata_set(), which does sound prohibitively expensive. Instead
>> we'd allocate the extension together with the skb if we know upfront
>> that metadata will be used.
>
> [ Sorry for being late. Have been catching up after holidays. ]
>
> For the sk local storage (which was mentioned in other replies as making skb
> metadata to look more like sk local storage), there is a plan (Amery has been
> looking into it) to allocate the storage together with sk for performance
> reason. This means allocating a larger 'struct sock'. The extra space will be at
> the front of sk instead of the end of sk because of how the 'struct sock' is
> embedded in tcp_sock/udp_sock/... If skb is going in the same direction, it
> should be useful to have a similar scheme on: upfront allocation and then shared
> by multiple BPF progs.
>
> The current thinking is to built upon the existing bpf_sk_local_storage usage. A
> boot param decides how much BPF space should be allocated for 'struct
> sock'. When a bpf_sk_storage_map is created (with a new use_reserve flag), the
> space will be allocated permanently from the head space of every sk for this
> map. The read (from a BPF prog) will be at one stable offset before a sk. If
> there is no more head space left, the map creation will fail. User can decide if
> it wants to retry without the 'use_reserve' flag.

Thanks for sharing the plans.

We will definitely be looking into ways of eliminating allocations in
the long run. With one allocation for skb_ext, one for
bpf_local_storage, and one for the actual map, it seems unlikely we will
be able to attach metadata this way to every packet. Which is something
we wanted for our "label packet once, use label everywhere" use case.

I'm not sure how much we can squeeze in together with the sk_buff.
Hopefully at least skb_ext plus a pointer to bpf_local_storage.

I'm also hoping we can allocate memory for bpf_local_storage together
with the backing space for the map, which update triggers the skb
extension activation.

Finally, bpf_local_storage itself has a pretty generous cache which
blows it up. Maybe the cache could be a flexible array, which could be
smaller for skb local storage.

All just ideas ATM. Initial RFC won't have any of these optimizations.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-25 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-10 21:05 [PATCH net-next 00/10] Call skb_metadata_set when skb->data points past metadata Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 01/10] net: Document skb_metadata_set contract with the drivers Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:28   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 02/10] bnxt_en: Call skb_metadata_set when skb->data points past metadata Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:29   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 03/10] i40e: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:30   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 04/10] igb: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:31   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 05/10] igc: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:31   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 06/10] ixgbe: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:32   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 07/10] mlx5e: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:32   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-13  6:08   ` Tariq Toukan
2026-01-13 12:52     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 08/10] veth: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:33   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 09/10] xsk: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:33   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 10/10] xdp: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:33   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-13  3:08 ` [PATCH net-next 00/10] " Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-13 12:09   ` Paolo Abeni
2026-01-13 12:40     ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-13 18:52     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-01-13 20:22       ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-14 11:49         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2026-01-14 12:33           ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-13 12:33   ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-22 20:21     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-25 19:15       ` Jakub Sitnicki [this message]
2026-01-27 19:33         ` Martin KaFai Lau

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